America's Cup

[Mental Trousers]

That start wasn't flash. They dropped too much speed, Oracle had a couple of knots more and when you're a little slower it takes much, much longer to get up to speed.

The key to the start is staying fast, don't drop speed.

[Brian d marge]

Im not hearing any fat bitches singing.

you tube , Liz shaw

Stephen

[oldrider]

Just listened to a news item re Dean Barker on this mornings race where he claimed that ETNZ is still confidence of winning!

Spithill on the other hand is talking the walk about no mercy, they are working their ring pieces out and improving all the time!

The worry for ETNZ is what planet they are on, all the evidence has been in Spithill and Oracles court for days now! .... Hello Dean, hello!

Unless they are aware of something that we are not privy to, what can he possibly be basing his supreme cool confidence on?

(especially if ETNZ win the cup in the last gasp minutes of the very last race, which should/could be tomorrow)

[nerrrd]

It's just so goddamn disappointing, after all that effort and now it looks like they'll come up short, and not just because of the quality of the opposition, seems circumstances have conspired against them as well.

Still, the boats are an impressive achievement regardless of who's sailing them.

[phill-k]

The worry for ETNZ is what planet they are on, all the evidence has been in Spithill and Oracles court for days now! .... Hello Dean, hello!

Hello what planet are you on do you really think that ETNZ, the management, the skipper and each and every member of that team is not 100% aware of where they are at? Dean Barkers style is much the same as many NZ top sportsman rightly or wrongly they show no / very little emotion, are you not listening to the knowledgeable commentators such as Chris Dickson, and our two in San Fran, who actually understand what is happening. Or tune in on youtube and listern to the American commentators, they are all saying the same things.

We are up against a team and a boat that entered this regatta behind the 8ball (for some reason) it is quite probable that their boat always had the potential to be the better boat, their team has now certainly matched our own, and that has now become very obvious in the results from the last 6 races. We did not lose the start today rather Spithill won it with skill and perhaps a margin of luck, both boats were at the line .5 of a second after the gun, Oracles boat was quicker on the foils, due to faster speed when turning for the line and perhaps a point of difference in the two boats abilities , both teams from that point made zero mistakes, if we had managed to lead at the first mark the cup would now be ours, that is how close the two boats performance is.

As in any match racing it is 99% boat and skill and 1% lady luck and the wind gods, she has been toying with ETNZ, tomorrow for the Team really is just another day at the office, there is nothing more they can do, that they are not already doing, the effort all the team are putting in is supreme, how about giving Dean and the team some credit they are totally focused on this, you obviously have little understanding of the intricacies of what they are doing and are up against

[Edbear]

It's just so goddamn disappointing, after all that effort and now it looks like they'll come up short, and not just because of the quality of the opposition, seems circumstances have conspired against them as well.

Still, the boats are an impressive achievement regardless of who's sailing them.

I agree, were it not for the rules about wind speed and time, we would have won the cup several races back. What has conspired has allowed Oracle the time they needed to get their boat and boat handling sorted.

[oldrider]

you obviously have little understanding of the intricacies of what they are doing and are up against

That is simply your opinion but you are allowed to express it if you wish, just as I am allowed to express mine.

The Americas cup is a very big business and for a very large group a lifestyle that as stakeholders they will not let it fail or their rice bowl will be gone! $$$$$$

Question.

If Oracle retain the cup, are they actually guaranteed to be able to defend it again in San Francisco or will they be required to find another venue?

[Brian d marge]

NZ needs to get a bit cut throat and stop being so nice

Stephen

[300weatherby]

So OK I will get jumped on for saying this but that start this morning was so pathetic, in fighting terms it looked as if they took a dive!

The great accolades of advantage that has been given to Oracle from the port entry was even more so from their starboard entry this morning!

It was like Oh excuse me, you go first Oracle we will be along shortly! (something is not right here!)

Yeah, I don't get why Barker didn't tack over the Spitboy before or at the line, same as he was on the end of, the previous couple of starts, they could have still got to turn one first despite the extra speed of the other boat by forcing him to take the long way there, could have forced him clean out to the boundry and turned it into match racing starting with advantage.

[onearmedbandit]

Just listened to a news item re Dean Barker on this mornings race where he claimed that ETNZ is still confidence of winning!

Spithill on the other hand is talking the walk about no mercy, they are working their ring pieces out and improving all the time!

The worry for ETNZ is what planet they are on, all the evidence has been in Spithill and Oracles court for days now! .... Hello Dean, hello!

Unless they are aware of something that we are not privy to, what can he possibly be basing his supreme cool confidence on?

(especially if ETNZ win the cup in the last gasp minutes of the very last race, which should/could be tomorrow)

Shit, what are you doing here?? What at the very least you should be contacting ETNZ to inform them of their situation, or be on the first plane to San Fran. and let the boys know personally. And make sure you tell Dean as well to look more glum about things and say how they really do suck.

[oldrider]

Well even you would have to admit it's bordering on sensational and fascicle at the same time a complete paradox even!

So what will today bring then?

[unstuck]

So OK I will get jumped on for saying this but that start this morning was so pathetic, in fighting terms it looked as if they took a dive!

The great accolades of advantage that has been given to Oracle from the port entry was even more so from their starboard entry this morning!

It was like Oh excuse me, you go first Oracle we will be along shortly! (something is not right here!)

I was out at a farm yesterday where they were tailing lambs and the tailing gang had stopped for smoko, not being one to miss out on a good cuppa, I joined them. The talk was of the americas cup race, and the whole gang thought that the kiwis are throwing the race deliberately. To me it just sounded like they were looking for excuses because they cannot stand the thought of losing, and basically making shit up.

[oldrider]

Remember the nose dive ETNZ did while practising/racing out here ... well Oracle haven't experienced one of those yet and stiffer conditions could produce that!

If they do ETNZ will surely be the benefactor ... been there done all that stuff! (Oracle might just be a little too cocky now)

[pzkpfw]

I get that there are rules and all, and the "windward boat must give way" thing must have a reason, but it seemed as much to me that Oracle steered into us as anything. Two penalties seems a bit "harsh" for that. Given the winner of the start seems to mostly win the race - it seems any down-wind boat could just "push" the upwind boat out of that start box, and guarantee the race.

Add that to the wind too high too low stuff killing 3 (or was it 4?) races we'd have won - I'm getting over it.

Sigh.


Disclaimer: I know nothing.

[Katman]

It's looking more and more like the America's Cup will be decided in court.