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    Quote Originally Posted by ckai View Post
    Their boat also has been catscanned.
    Huh ??? Did they run a cat over it ??? Looking for mice where they??? Oh wait .. it is a cat ...


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    America,




    FUCK YEAH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrider View Post
    Oh wait .. it is a cat ...
    Exactly

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    Oracle have won, good for them they deserved it, but I don't think they've done the America's cup as a competition any favours with the way they've won (if the cost of these boats wasn't enough).

    The fact that they were able to modify their boat so successfully while the racing was actually underway will put any future challengers off even more - oops we've started with the wrong boat, never mind we'll just modify it until it's the right boat. Oh, you guys can't afford to do that? Too bad for you.

    They should have a 'parc ferme' rule like in Formula 1, sure you can make a some changes to sails / rigging / ballast? etc but that's about it.

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    How about Deano asks Jimbo if he wants to have a best of 4 "funsy regatta" - turn off your Boeing computer controlling your systems - and race us the way mother sport intended...see who has the best boat/crew - not the best computer system.
    Manual controls vs automated - a mismatch. Watching the final race - I could not see any evidence of a speed benefit to Oracle except when coming in/out of turns. Commentators rightly pointed to this being cos of automated howze-your-fathers.... Not an even set of technology. Stupid waste of a fabulous sporting spectacle. Needed to see sailors contesting this - not naughts and ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trade_nancy View Post
    How about Deano asks Jimbo if he wants to have a best of 4 "funsy regatta" - turn off your Boeing computer controlling your systems - and race us the way mother sport intended...see who has the best boat/crew - not the best computer system.
    Manual controls vs automated - a mismatch. Watching the final race - I could not see any evidence of a speed benefit to Oracle except when coming in/out of turns. Commentators rightly pointed to this being cos of automated howze-your-fathers.... Not an even set of technology. Stupid waste of a fabulous sporting spectacle. Needed to see sailors contesting this - not naughts and ones.
    I kinda agree. Even accepting that the Americas cup IS all about pushing the boundaries it should also be about sailing. Otherwise why not just send out remote controlled boats...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ View Post
    I kinda agree. Even accepting that the Americas cup IS all about pushing the boundaries it should also be about sailing. Otherwise why not just send out remote controlled boats...
    Remote controlled boats, eh? Run by Oracle software, no doubt. I smell a conspiracy here...

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    I hope they think carefully where they display the Auld Mug in case some disgruntled Indian (or other indigenous individual who thinks the world owes him) tries to smash it with a hammer...

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    I enjoyed watching this racing It would have been neat to see the team win it from a purely sporting view but have to wonder, if NZ had won it, they'd need govt money to fund the next boat again. Dont know how the public ( apart from the hospitality and marine industries ) would feel about that.
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    Well done Kiwis!

    As for team 'Orrible USA. Hope the phonecall to the New York Yacht club was worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trade_nancy View Post
    Manual controls vs automated - a mismatch. Watching the final race - I could not see any evidence of a speed benefit to Oracle except when coming in/out of turns. Commentators rightly pointed to this being cos of automated howze-your-fathers.... Not an even set of technology. Stupid waste of a fabulous sporting spectacle. Needed to see sailors contesting this - not naughts and ones.
    Up wind was a massive tell-tale sign. Oracles boat did bob up and down when on the foils. Solid as a rock. They were also able to get up on the foils faster and more constantly and not drop of them so easily.

    The other tell-tale sign was on the very first leg (I think - the very start of the race anyway). Our dude that was in charge of the foils had so much concentration on them it wasn't funny. He looked like it was the hardest he was working during the whole cup. TNZ knew that was the one thing that was going to win or lose the cup. Turns out mere mortals can not compute variations as fast as Skynet.

    I really wanna know the system. I'm intrigued how it works everything out and how it runs - power wise and programming wise. It can't be simple and I always thought you weren't allowed stored power on the Cup boats. If it's something like solar power, that's crazy efficiency in the computer power. I also didn't think you were allowed computer power either. So if wasn't that, that's some crazy hydraulics, engineering.

    It has to be remembered, those boats weren't intended to foil but TNZ found a way to make it happen within the rules. Oracle took the foiling one step further when they were behind the 8-ball. Clever. It must be bloody close to breaking the rules though.

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    Any cheap used catamarans on trade me as yet?
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    Did anyone see the next Challenger envelope get handed to the winners??? I didn't
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    Quote Originally Posted by awa355 View Post
    Either ETNZ will win, or that Arab owned boat will lose to a yacht owned by Ellison.
    Yeah mate very prescient, the Arab boat got owned by some Yank.


    But a heap of Kiwi designers and sailors are coming home with the dosh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trade_nancy View Post
    How about Deano asks Jimbo if he wants to have a best of 4 "funsy regatta" - turn off your Boeing computer controlling your systems - and race us the way mother sport intended...see who has the best boat/crew - not the best computer system.
    Manual controls vs automated - a mismatch. Watching the final race - I could not see any evidence of a speed benefit to Oracle except when coming in/out of turns. Commentators rightly pointed to this being cos of automated howze-your-fathers.... Not an even set of technology. Stupid waste of a fabulous sporting spectacle. Needed to see sailors contesting this - not naughts and ones.
    Thats why there are lower formula. There should always be a place for relatively unimpeded technology. I didnt want the Americans to win because I intensely dislike their loud demeanour, but hats off to the technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Taylor View Post
    Thats why there are lower formula. There should always be a place for relatively unimpeded technology. I didnt want the Americans to win because I intensely dislike their loud demeanour, but hats off to the technology.

    No worries Robert your boy won it - says here it was Ben Ainslie's USA so must have been a Pommy team http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/sailing/24274103

    The Aussie news had it as an Aussie win too of course.

    So sure it was a New Zealand win if our boys built the boat and sailed on it.

    Everyone won then.
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