America's Cup

[oldrider]

The missing ingredient has always been Sir Russell Coutts ... now that man really knows how to win Americas Cups!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Coutts

[Ocean1]

The missing ingredient has always been Sir Russell Coutts ... now that man really knows how to win Americas Cups!

He's a very very smart cookie. You don't lose so much in translation when your chief sailor is also your chief engineer.

[unstuck]

The missing ingredient has always been Sir Russell Coutts ... now that man really knows how to win Americas Cups!

Good bugger to work for too.

[Maha]

Bullshit, it was always non-level, it's just not the Kiwi way to bitch about it.

The godamn yanks were the ones mostly pointing out the disparity of resources.

...I said, it wasn't mentioned at all when the score was 8-1 to ETNZ, which is correct.

[Ocean1]

...I said, it wasn't mentioned at all when the score was 8-1 to ETNZ, which is correct.

Perhaps you didn't hear it before that. The relative funding of both teams had been mentioned by the US press since the Loui Vuitton.

Your comment sounded like criticism of the NZ contingent for making excuses when things started to go tits up, which I certainly didn't hear at any time.

[oldrider]

Of course some people have closed minds but : http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news...ectid=11132657

Ill directed emotional inaccuracies could be the downfall of NZ supporters.

[nerrrd]

Celebrating "failure" ... the New Zealand way! http://www.3news.co.nz/Auckland-set-...2/Default.aspx

Jeez don't they deserve a pat on the back for coming so close? That's not "celebrating failure" in my book.

And they'd be mad not to grab Coutts if he makes himself available, the guy has shown he's got what it takes time and time again.

[jasonu]

it's just not the Kiwi way to bitch about it.

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That's a good one.

[Maha]

Perhaps you didn't hear it before that. The relative funding of both teams had been mentioned by the US press since the Loui Vuitton.

Your comment sounded like criticism of the NZ contingent for making excuses when things started to go tits up, which I certainly didn't hear at any time.

I was just stating a fact, no criticism of the team at all. ETMZ didn't say anything about the state of fairness to my knowledge, it was the reporters, they seemed to be looking for a reason as to why Oracle were the suddenly the better team at the regatta.

[Ocean1]

That's a good one.

Well you do get the odd import that bleats like fuck, but the traditional Kiwi is fairly stoical.

We do, unfortunately have a tendency to kick the shit out of our very best at the slightest excuse, but even that is a fairly recent trend.

[BMWST?]

I was just a stating fact, no criticism of the team at all. ETMZ didn't say anything about the state of fairness to my knowledge, it was the reporters, they seemed to be looking for a reason as to why Oracle were the suddenly the better team at the regatta.

and thats understandable imho.In the past its been pretty well predictable outcomes that if a boat has superior speed thats ussually the writing on the wall.And Oracle did find a lot of boat speed no matter what Coutts and Spittle say.We have never seen that before AFAIK.Wether thats purely down to better sailing is a long stretch in my book,what were they doing for 2 years?

[oldrider]

Jeez don't they deserve a pat on the back for coming so close? That's not "celebrating failure" in my book.

And they'd be mad not to grab Coutts if he makes himself available, the guy has shown he's got what it takes time and time again.

That is an entirely different issue, they (ETNZ) did not campaign and raise funds to see how well they could do!

They campaigned to "win the Americas cup" ... on that issue they failed!

Why did they fail ... they were beaten by a better resourced and better performed Oracle team USA!

Now New Zealand is embarking on a repeat performance, will they be campaigning on "winning the Americas cup"?

Or will they be campaigning to performing well and remaining the best of the rest ... I.E. winning the Louis Vuitton Cup and representing New Zealand well overseas?

If it is the latter, that is what they should be celebrating because that is what they triumphed at!

Reality check is matching expectations with achievable results I.E. Winning the "Louis Vuitton Cup" and maybe, just maybe getting lucky with the Americas Cup?

Perhaps getting Russell Coutts back (the real hero of the "Americas cup") might be the magic missing ingredient, now that would be worth celebrating!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Vuitton_Cup

[nerrrd]

Why did they fail ... they were beaten by a better resourced and better performed Oracle team USA!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Vuitton_Cup

Not going to pretend I have a clue how much effort actually has to go in to mounting a credible challenge let alone winning 8 races in the finals, but that boat and the way they sailed it looked like a magnificent achievement to me - and one worth celebrating.

I doubt anyone involved went into it without every intention of winning; as far as I'm concerned (and i think even Coutts alluded to this) if it weren't for the weather delays Oracle wouldn't have had time to get their shit together, and would have lost, so if not luck, then at least 'circumstance' played a role in their win. Even billionaires can't control the weather...yet?

[BMWST?]

Not going to pretend I have a clue how much effort actually has to go in to mounting a credible challenge let alone winning 8 races in the finals, but that boat and the way they sailed it looked like a magnificent achievement to me - and one worth celebrating.

I doubt anyone involved went into it without every intention of winning; as far as I'm concerned (and i think even Coutts alluded to this) if it weren't for the weather delays Oracle wouldn't have had time to get their shit together, and would have lost, so if not luck, then at least 'circumstance' played a role in their win. Even billionaires can't control the weather...yet?

agreed,if things had been only marginally different ,slightly more wind in the race we ran out of time in...we WOULD of won it

[jasonu]

Well you do get the odd import that bleats like fuck, but the traditional Kiwi is fairly stoical.

Fair enough then.

We do, unfortunately have a tendency to kick the shit out of our very best at the slightest excuse, but even that is a fairly recent trend.

That is another good one. For as long as I can remember we kiwis have always taken great pleasure in slagging our top folks. Tall poppy syndrome and all that.