Charter schools

[SVboy]

Mmm...but that does rather assume that teachers are able to dispassionately lead such a critique. To present points of view which may jar with their own ideas - its not easy to surpress bias.

Regrettably we have here a clear example: provocative emotionally loaded words highlighted for illustration.



It troubles me the SVboy will be imposing such ideas on impressionable children.

Hopefully I will use a bit of professional willpower to be an impartial facilitator. But in regards to your naivety-a wee quiz for you. Please rearrange these words to reflect your attitude. Head,your,sand,the,in,bury

[Oscar]

the sweat of hoary bushmen.
Otherwise called steinlager.

Also known as headache in a bottle.
Fuck, no wonder you're so grumpy.

[Oscar]

Head,your,sand,the,in,bury

Incorrectly capitalised and punctuation is missing.

Stay behind after class.

[Winston001]

Are you unable to separate your personal views from your work life?

And that Mashie is the very point. Being dispassionate. Standing aside from emotive triggers whatever ones own personal views.

Hopefully I will use a bit of professional willpower to be an impartial facilitator. But in regards to your naivety-a wee quiz for you. Please rearrange these words to reflect your attitude. Head,your,sand,the,in,bury

I'll ignore the gratuitous insult.

To be fair to you, I was going to add that this is just KB and you should be able to express your personal opinions. I simply hope you don't unconsciously pass these on to your students - and you probably don't.

[BMWST?]

As a senior manager of a group of major industrial factories I was actually a customer of your schools with respect to the product that you turned out!

I don't think that the schools of today prepare their students for the work force because we always had to restart the process from the beginning!

Sure there were some very gifted students came to us but there gifts were relatively undeveloped or misdirected and the recovery costs to both the new recruit and to the company were often major and could have been sorted long before they left school!

I don't believe that very many teachers have any idea about the requirements industry has of school levers because it is not part of their own psychology or experience!

I take on board your comments about my current knowledge of schools and their workings, things do change and I am out of that loop now, hope I am wrong!

i would suggest that that is not the teachers fault.The teachers teach what they are told to teach.

[Ocean1]

It troubles me the SVboy will be imposing such ideas on impressionable children.

Where do you suppose the current crop of professional beneficiaries got their training?

[mashman]

And that Mashie is the very point. Being dispassionate. Standing aside from emotive triggers whatever ones own personal views.

I disagree. You need passionate teachers to be able to get through to the awkward ones like me... as they were the only teachers that made any form of human sense. The rest seemed like uninterested robots and given that these people are our role models at such an "impressionable" age I'd rather enjoy my time at school with engaging and challenging teachers than some stiff, unfeeling, untouchable supposed grown up. In my experience, not just me but reflecting on how students viewed and responded to our teachers, the my way or the highway teachers where the ones who were disliked. Doesn't really fill us young adults with confidence and respect for our elders, let alone inspire us to want to integrate with adults. So no, I'd disagree. In ways I was fortunate enough to be able to share a pint with my teachers due to the different school ages in the English and Scottish school systems... so I guess I got to know them more as human beings, which made them more approachable. This peculiar separation of teacher and student that we seem to be consistently driving towards is wrong imho. Students should "know" their teachers.

[awa355]

Here is an article on removing science from a schools curriculum. Apparently it is too hard for students to learn science.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/educ...oo-hard-basket

One comment from the principal, " No-one wants to see us dumb down the curriculum, but we have to see some level of success."

In my view, a real defeatist's outlook.

[mansell]

Here is an article on removing science from a schools curriculum. Apparently it is too hard for students to learn science.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/educ...oo-hard-basket

One comment from the principal, " No-one wants to see us dumb down the curriculum, but we have to see some level of success."

In my view, a real defeatist's outlook.

Thanks for posting that, I must have missed it entirely. Of cause students find the sciences hard - there seems to be some cultural thing, many times I've had parents whinge at me how hard science was for them and this will deliberately affect the children. Personally I would like to see our Government do something about this - not just commisioning another report from another expert - how about promoting the teaching of science at primary school so when I finally get the students at year 9 they can at least do some critical thinking.

[SVboy]

Where do you suppose the current crop of professional beneficiaries got their training?

From "parents" like you?

[mashman]

Thanks for posting that, I must have missed it entirely. Of cause students find the sciences hard - there seems to be some cultural thing, many times I've had parents whinge at me how hard science was for them and this will deliberately affect the children. Personally I would like to see our Government do something about this - not just commisioning another report from another expert - how about promoting the teaching of science at primary school so when I finally get the students at year 9 they can at least do some critical thinking.

Well if you don;t look like the below, how do you expect anyone to listen

[awa355]

Well if you don;t look like the below, how do you expect anyone to listen

If she was the teacher, I'd still be at school. If she was the pupil, I would have been de-registered by now.

[oldrider]

If school teachers are so confident and sure that their way is best ... why are they so afraid of "charter schools"?

[mansell]

If school teachers are so confident and sure that their way is best ... why are they so afraid of "charter schools"?

Its not that we are afaid of charter schools its just that we are sick of dumass politicians telling us that techniques that have tried and failed elsewhere are the best for NZ education. Charter schools and other such fuck ups are about saving money not about the best outcomes for the youth of new zealand

[SVboy]

If school teachers are so confident and sure that their way is best ... why are they so afraid of "charter schools"?

You appear to be for them? Why? Even you could take off a couple of your blinkers to see that cheaper rarely means better. You may find this is in issue if you go into a resthome!! Dont recall any comments saying teachers were afraid of charter schools. The military charter school sounds interesting, and if they go some way to addressing the students that pooly resourced mainstream schools struggle to engage and help succeed, then excellent.