MotoGP 2014

[roogazza]

Also because bikes are all so reliable now, when was the last time you saw one blow up? Longer races with compulsory refuelling/pitstops for tyres etc would be good.....none of this bike swap shit

Just an opinion,but I'm not a fan of Endurance type races,pit stop wins etc.
Assen had some good wet racing but apart from that ?
Probably why I didn't show much interest in 6 hour races.(only went in two cos I was asked).
Wonder how the right side of the tyre handles Sachsenring this time?
That very fast right after all the lefts must be very scarey.

[Shaun Harris]

Just an opinion,but I'm not a fan of Endurance type races,pit stop wins etc.
Assen had some good wet racing but apart from that ?
Probably why I didn't show much interest in 6 hour races.(only went in two cos I was asked).
Wonder how the right side of the tyre handles Sachsenring this time?
That very fast right after all the lefts must be very scarey.

Endurance style of races and the way Motogp is operating with wet bike changes is are bullshit and boring to me, too many things can wrong which change the race, so the race becomes a race in the pits only and not out on track rider to rider totally as it should be.

[Bender]

Endurance style of races and the way Motogp is operating with wet bike changes is are bullshit and boring to me, too many things can wrong which change the race, so the race becomes a race in the pits only and not out on track rider to rider totally as it should be.

I agree with you Sean. I want the fastest rider on the best bike - not the pit crew who got lucky because of a safety car intervention or because the pit lane limiter was wrong and the rider went .005km/h too fast down the pit lane. Fuck that.

[pritch]

That very fast right after all the lefts must be very scarey.

Too right, 'specially for a guy who hasn't ridden the Sachsenring previously. Redding says he is excited by the track, I wish him luck.

I was looking for the article Oxley wrote about that corner (Turn 11?) but couldn't find it. I think the track has recently been modified, but haven't yet seen a description of what has been done. Maybe it'll get a mention on the Practice coverage tonight?

Hope it stays dry this time.

[steveyb]

A bit of a story on MotoMatters at the moment regarding Loi, MvdS and the Kalex KTM.

http://motomatters.com/press_release...barthol_m.html

Loi complaining of not being able to turn the bike or having poor confidence in the front end.

If you look, he has the same upright sticky outy style as Colin Edwards, who by coincidence (???) also struggles with the new bikes.

As pointed out by Ian Wheeler (PR person for MvdS team) Loi's style is "static, channeling Mike Hailwood".

As stated also by Wheeler, this style is totally at odds with those styles used by the boys at the front of the championship and as implied by him, this could be (is?) the problem. Perhaps the Kalex-KTM is not as good as it could be, but it is not that bad.

I have made comment about riding styles here before. The modern GP bike, chassis, suspensions, tyre combinations in all classes reward, nay, demand this style, where you very actively use your upper body mass to balance the mass into the bike. Sitting on top, or sticking your arse out simply no longer works. Loi will be hamstrung by this if he does not change.

Young riders looking to get onto 125GP/Pre-Moto3 bikes need to watch very closely and learn how to do this.

[roogazza]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2014/...11qmachine.htm

First day and a few getoffs including MM who went on to record fastest time.

[BMWST?]

A bit of a story on MotoMatters at the moment regarding Loi, MvdS and the Kalex KTM.

http://motomatters.com/press_release...barthol_m.html

Loi complaining of not being able to turn the bike or having poor confidence in the front end.

If you look, he has the same upright sticky outy style as Colin Edwards, who by coincidence (???) also struggles with the new bikes.

As pointed out by Ian Wheeler (PR person for MvdS team) Loi's style is "static, channeling Mike Hailwood".

As stated also by Wheeler, this style is totally at odds with those styles used by the boys at the front of the championship and as implied by him, this could be (is?) the problem. Perhaps the Kalex-KTM is not as good as it could be, but it is not that bad.

I have made comment about riding styles here before. The modern GP bike, chassis, suspensions, tyre combinations in all classes reward, nay, demand this style, where you very actively use your upper body mass to balance the mass into the bike. Sitting on top, or sticking your arse out simply no longer works. Loi will be hamstrung by this if he does not change.

Young riders looking to get onto 125GP/Pre-Moto3 bikes need to watch very closely and learn how to do this.

Agreed,and the two fastest guys on motogp bikes use(d) the most extreme version of that style,Stoner and Marquez

[speights_bud]

Did anyone else notice the disc guards added on the Honda? I dont know if this is new but its the first time I have seen it?

Stop them cooling too much? safety/burns? ideas?

[pritch]

Agreed,and the two fastest guys on motogp bikes use(d) the most extreme version of that style,Stoner and Marquez

I don't remember Stoner as being that far off the bike. Until Marquez came along Tony Elias had the most extreme off-the-bike style. Now that Marquez is doing it and winning everybody is doing it. With the notable exception of Livio Loi apparently. Then again if he doesn't find a major improvement we may not be seeing much more of him.

Bit of a piss off that there was no commentary during FP1 so we're still in the dark as to track mods at the Sachsenring.

There is talk of a rule change regarding the minimum age at which riders can compete in Moto3. Currently riders must be sixteen at the start of the season. The guy who won the Spanish Championship last year, and who is leading it this year, will still not be sixteen at the start of next season. I think this is Fabio Quartararo? To permit him to ride Moto3 in 2015 the rule may be changed so that riders turning sixteen during the season can enter.

[steveyb]

Casey most certainly used his upper body weight to balance the bike in turns. Perhaps he did not get off the bike as extremely as Marquez does, but it was there.
You just need to watch Marc very closely in the slower turns. Sachsenring is a good place to see this. As he gets to the slower parts he is able to dip his body just a bit more, or not, as needed, to turn the bike just a bit more, or not. No massive steering inputs, just dipping the body (which induces the steering input while doing that). Other riders who commit to a body position and location don't have that choice up their sleeves.
It also allows Marc to turn the bike very quickly in the middle of the turn and get on the gas early. Other riders are still trying to match him with smooth lines and corner speed. Horses for courses in many respects, and machines play a big part in what you can do with them, but his rider/machine combo is working well it would seem. Maybe not so well this weekend now that he has a tweeked neck and a bang on the head.

Have a good look at Edwards too, if they every show him again that is. All upright and straight arms out in the breeze, real '90's stuff.

The track mod at T11 was only a test and it seems the riders thought that it was no good as it caused even greater lean angles than the track the way it is.

Would be interesting to see the Moto3 rule change. I think it would make sense to change it that way. Quatararo is pretty good by all accounts.

[MVnut]

As pointed out by Ian Wheeler (PR person for MvdS team) Loi's style is "static, channeling Mike Hailwood".
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Mike was a Superman on Two Wheels!....No-one can copy him ! He could do things on a bike mere mortals (and even todays Aliens) can only dream of.

the two fastest guys on motogp bikes, Stoner and Marquez

Who the fuck is Stoner?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Did anyone else notice the disc guards added on the Honda? I dont know if this is new but its the first time I have seen it?

Stop them cooling too much? safety/burns? ideas?

Maybe to keep some heat into them at this particular track? But if you saw MM's bin (fucking huge and he could've broken his neck if you saw the ankle of his head when he hit the deck)..the bike looked to have ridden him again...so my well be for safety's sake too?

Who the fuck is Stoner?

My ex.

[BMWST?]

I don't remember Stoner as being that far off the bike. Until Marquez came along Tony Elias had the most extreme off-the-bike style. Now that Marquez is doing it and winning everybody is doing it. With the notable exception of Livio Loi apparently. Then again if he doesn't find a major improvement we may not be seeing much more of him.

Bit of a piss off that there was no commentary during FP1 so we're still in the dark as to track mods at the Sachsenring.

There is talk of a rule change regarding the minimum age at which riders can compete in Moto3. Currently riders must be sixteen at the start of the season. The guy who won the Spanish Championship last year, and who is leading it this year, will still not be sixteen at the start of next season. I think this is Fabio Quartararo? To permit him to ride Moto3 in 2015 the rule may be changed so that riders turning sixteen during the season can enter.

He sorta kept parrallel yo the bike but was well of to the side,and wwll forward to,perhaps grim the ducati days

[roogazza]

Maybe to keep some heat into them at this particular track? But if you saw MM's bin (fucking huge and he could've broken his neck if you saw the ankle of his head when he hit the deck)..the bike looked to have ridden him

can't keep doing this can he ??

[ellipsis]

the ankle of his head

...he is an alien then...