MotoGP 2014

[Dave-]

honda porn

most interestingly:

(the RCV-R’s tank is said to hold 23 liters)

Did we already know this?

[BMWST?]

honda porn

most interestingly:



Did we already know this?

sorta,the proddy bikes are allowed 24l honda obviously think that 24 litres is too much

[Mental Trousers]

sorta,the proddy bikes are allowed 24l honda obviously think that 24 litres is too much

Honda have built an engine that will run on 20-21 litres, after all it's the same engine as the factory prototype but with conventional valve springs, gearbox and a couple of other bits. So running an engine designed to use 20-21 litres on 24 litres means you're carrying 3 litres of dead weight and/or running extremely rich fuel/air mixture and making considerably less power.

[husaberg]

Honda have built an engine that will run on 20-21 litres, after all it's the same engine as the factory prototype but with conventional valve springs, gearbox and a couple of other bits. So running an engine designed to use 20-21 litres on 24 litres means you're carrying 3 litres of dead weight and/or running extremely rich fuel/air mixture and making considerably less power.

I do wonder what the FIM fine is for running out of fuel on the circuit?

[pritch]

Honda have built an engine that will run on 20-21 litres, after all it's the same engine as the factory prototype but with conventional valve springs, gearbox and a couple of other bits. So running an engine designed to use 20-21 litres on 24 litres means you're carrying 3 litres of dead weight and/or running extremely rich fuel/air mixture and making considerably less power.

Can't remember where I read it, but HRC said they didn't need 24L but there are some tracks where having 23L would be an advantage. I seem to recall that the limit for factory bikes is 20L next year.

[merv]

VR and CS were never team mates at Ducati were they?

You are right they weren't and like you have I noticed the mistake in that part of the story. Also it made it sound like Stoner was with Honda for quite a while before he went to Ducati and that wasn't true either. Maybe Rossi lost his marbles at Ducati.

[Mental Trousers]

Can't remember where I read it, but HRC said they didn't need 24L but there are some tracks where having 23L would be an advantage. I seem to recall that the limit for factory bikes is 20L next year.

That'd be places like Motegi - lots of fast straights & slow corners so the riders are really hard on the brakes then really hard on the throttle, a nightmare for fuel consumption. There's a couple of other tracks that use a lot of fuel too.

[Dave-]

That'd be places like Motegi - lots of fast straights & slow corners so the riders are really hard on the brakes then really hard on the throttle, a nightmare for fuel consumption. There's a couple of other tracks that use a lot of fuel too.

aragon?

my god those proddie bikes are going to be quick down that straight

[BMWST?]

You are right they weren't and like you have I noticed the mistake in that part of the story. Also it made it sound like Stoner was with Honda for quite a while before he went to Ducati and that wasn't true either. Maybe Rossi lost his marbles at Ducati.

Stoner did start his motogp career on a honda

[merv]

Stoner did start his motogp career on a honda

It was this comment of Rossi's that made me say what I did:

"We had completely opposing paths in our careers: he’d always ridden for one manufacturer, Honda, under the guidance of Luca Cecchinello."

Always ridden for one manufacturer made it sound like a while, whereas Stoner was there only for one season in 2006 before he went to Ducati in 2007. He had been on a 250 with Luca in 2005 but then it was an Aprilia and not a Honda and previously he had been on KTM and Aprilia 125 bikes. I think Rossi meant to say he had been under the guidance of Luca for a while, the stuff about the Honda was the error he made.

[pritch]

The article is written by a journalist, some of the quotes are presumably by Rossi but while I used to read Rolling Stone magazine many years ago I never considered it an authority on sports. Music yes, sports no.

[BMWST?]

It was this comment of Rossi's that made me say what I did:

"We had completely opposing paths in our careers: he’d always ridden for one manufacturer, Honda, under the guidance of Luca Cecchinello."

Always ridden for one manufacturer made it sound like a while, whereas Stoner was there only for one season in 2006 before he went to Ducati in 2007. He had been on a 250 with Luca in 2005 but then it was an Aprilia and not a Honda and previously he had been on KTM and Aprilia 125 bikes. I think Rossi meant to say he had been under the guidance of Luca for a while, the stuff about the Honda was the error he made.

The article is written by a journalist, some of the quotes are presumably by Rossi but while I used to read Rolling Stone magazine many years ago I never considered it an authority on sports. Music yes, sports no.

yes and we base our opinions and "likes" on this sort of stuff too

[BMWST?]

Sommet sport going to be on satelite and freeview Uhf and that means will also be on Sky

[pritch]

yes and we base our opinions and "likes" on this sort of stuff too

Yes and no. It is true we only rarely have access to the inside info. Statements by riders may be coloured by their own best interests, they may be playing head games, there may be translation difficulties, they may have been muzzled by their corporate employer (eg Yamaha), or they may be interviewed by someone who doesn't know the sport.

Depending on how things work out, the situation may be about to get worse because some of the most experienced English language commentators are now possibly unemployed since the BBC lost the contract to cover MotoGP.

Some of what we read can be reasonably trustworthy, f'rinstance David Emmett of Motomatters who I understand pays his own way and is independent. Matt Oxley has a racing background and is generally interesting and reliable, several magazines publish his material. Alex Briggs was the first insider I became aware of on Twitter, and as he was one of Rossi's mechanics his material was of interest. Yamaha have since advised he and Rossi that they are subject to the corporation's communications policy so their posts suddenly became a lot less informative. Briggs used to post a lot of pictures of the bikes, not this year.

All of which means we need to be somewhat discriminating, I wouldn't be forming too many opinions based on an article that contains an obvious error near the beginning. Nor would I believe averything that the Dorna PR machine pumped out. Or when a team says their rider retired because of an ignition problem. We just have to sort through it as best we can. Just as well I'm retired and have the time

[roogazza]

Yes and no.

All of which means we need to be somewhat discriminating, I wouldn't be forming too many opinions based on an article that contains an obvious error near the beginning. Nor would I believe averything that the Dorna PR machine pumped out. Or when a team says their rider retired because of an ignition problem. We just have to sort through it as best we can. Just as well I'm retired and have the time

Between us old retired dudes we generally get the gist of whats going on.After all we spend the days reading and pontificating.
Me, I know all ......... Fuck all !