Punk Arse

[Mom]

Punks not dead.........I still have a mohawk and Im nearing 50. Love the music, the louder and angrier the better.
A lot of bikers are punks in my eyes due too their fuck the norm attitude, and I have always been into both. Some punks dress in suits and hold down pretty respectable jobs, some punks sniff glue and live life on the dole. The music is not for everyone, but then I cant stand pop music. Each to their own. OI OI OI.

I remember bright blue spiked hair, with white tips and a serious addiction to the buzzcocks myself.

[Motu]

Punk was when music went wrong for me, I was into progressive rock like Deep purple, Led Zep, Jethro Tull, Lou Reed and Alice Cooper. When punk came along, and then that shit the came out in the '80's, I started exploring other music - went back to '50's and 60's music, jazz, harmony groups and also got into classical stuff too. I haven't followed modern music since punk, still exploring music history. Parallels my motorcycle tastes too - once I lost the British stuff I never really went forward, just couldn't encompass Jap shit into my life.

[Grizzo]

Got into Punk and OI from a young age, just loved the abrasiveness of it all, and hated the shitty commercial music, so punk was the ultimate 'fuck that' and 'fuck off' to that scene.

Got more into the Skin side of it, proper Skins though, not those Nazi white power fuckers.

Nothing better than skankin around to some reggae with a bunch of crazy punks'n'skins!

[Mom]

Punk was when music went wrong for me, I was into progressive rock like Deep purple, Led Zep, Jethro Tull, Lou Reed and Alice Cooper. When punk came along, and then that shit the came out in the '80's, I started exploring other music - went back to '50's and 60's music, jazz, harmony groups and also got into classical stuff too. I haven't followed modern music since punk, still exploring music history. Parallels my motorcycle tastes too - once I lost the British stuff I never really went forward, just couldn't encompass Jap shit into my life.

Punk actually started in the 70's really. There were some amazing sentiments expressed by the punk movement. I embraced most Punk music. It was raw and challenging. Some of it was dark, and some very dark behaviour was associated with it. Meh. Lots of it made huge social comments and really deserved to be heard. Just like the RnR of the 60's, wound up many, my Father banned it from the house due to those long haired louts! I am talking Beatles long hair here ( he was strictly "short back and sides"), some of the protest music of the 60's also turned many away due to content.

If you look at lyrics and styles over the years, the ones that stand out, begin as a water shed for some peoples taste. I love music. I am a big fan, and have a huge genre appreciation. I have to admit there are a few that I have and do struggle with, but on the whole, I am moving forward with it, and what the amazing talents we have are producing right now.

Look at Sir Bob Geldolf. Boom Town Rats - Punk Band. How can you take that away!

Punk!

[unstuck]

[Motu]

Punk actually started in the 70's really.

and then that shit that came out in the '80's

Sorry I made a typo, but that doesn't change that the '80's came after punk. I had to find my own way after dissatisfaction with modern music.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Sorry I made a typo, but that doesn't change that the '80's came after punk. I had to find my own way after dissatisfaction with modern music.

Ive always been dissatisfied with popular dreck. Having said that I really like that Lorde song "Royals" Its popular but not dreck.

It took me a long time to appreciate that some music that is really popular is also really good. For example, (a fair bit of) Pink Floyd. For 20 odd years I was with John Lydon (who famously wore an I HATE Pink Floyd T shirt) but actually they arent bad. Well some of it is. Or Fleetwood Mac. (the popular era not the Peter Green-led predecessor. Or the Eagles. [insert THE BIG LEBOWSKI joke].

The "punk" thing became a straitjacket. Then a joke. Whoever put up that terrible song about Poseurs or a lot of those 80's punk bands that are just terrible. And don't get me started on bands like NOFX and Green Day.

The first "post-punk" album is The Clash's "London CAlling" and on their first album they included covers of two complete ska classics: Junior Murvin's "Police and Theives" and Toots and the Maytals "Pressure Drop"

[HenryDorsetCase]

Punk actually started in the 70's really.

Punk!

Arguably it started with bands like the MC5 and The Stooges and a lot of the "garage" bands of the '60's: The East Coast of the US particularly. The genesis of the scene was in New York City and centred around The Velvet Underground. Well actually they were kind of a house band at Andy Warhol's factory, but thats not relevant for present purposes. So you get all the aggression, all the anger, all the attitude and some raw songwriting.

I am a massive fan of The Velvet Underground in particular but if you dont own them you should pick up records by these "proto-punk" bands. There is an MC5 "Best of" that is good (you have to love a record that starts with a man SCREAMING "Its time to kick out the jams, motherfuckers....." pretty confronting in, what, 1968? Particulary when on the left coast its (supposedly) all fucking hippies and flowers in their hair and all that shit. And everyone should own Iggy and the Stooges "Raw Power" (I'm a street walking cheetah with a heart full of naplam" I mean, come on!). And while you're at it, grab the NUGGETS collection put together by Lenny Kaye: its just been reissued and its really good. And the near-definitive Velvets collection is the "Peel Slowly and See" boxset. After the Velvets imploded in 1971-ish, the NY underground scene spawned bands like the New York Dolls. EVERY hair metal band in the world is ripping off the dolls. Youtube up some footage. Plus they were decent songwriters. That was an early scene centred on the Mercer ARts Centre. It fell down. As in collapsed one day. Slightly later (1974/75) you get the CBGB's scene: which produced Talking Heads, The Ramones, Patti Smith, Blondie, Television and a host of lesser known bands. And birthed electronic music (check out a band called Suicide which is two dudes and two keyboards and a lot of violence. In like 1975.

The connection with UK punk is that at one point Malcolm McLaren managed the Dolls and they toured in the UK. And so did the Ramones (who famously hated it). The things that defined punk music, and made it great were fairly clearly cross pollinated into the UK from that US scene: in particular the I do not give a fuck attitude, the I will do it myself ethos, and the intense fan loyalty. Not to mention the indifference of most music fans and the antipathy of the rock establishment and the establishment generally. If you listen to bootlegs of early Pistols shows for example they were a pretty tight, decent band.

But something that intense does not last long and by 1977 it was pretty much all over, just as the caricatures and public caught on. The people involved (and maybe the fans) kept their ideals (DIY, I dont care if you dont like it, and moved on to other things).

The best punk song since "God Save the Queen" in my view is "Killing in the name of" by Rage Against the Machine.


wall of text sorry: I am a bit of an anorak about this shit

[HenryDorsetCase]

Sorry I made a typo, but that doesn't change that the '80's came after punk. I had to find my own way after dissatisfaction with modern music.

I got heavily into country music and alt.country at one point when I decided all modern rock was shit.

Nickelbaaaaaaaaaack!!

[fridayflash]

ive always had an affection for punk music, the sex pistols song 'bodies' was probably the turning point when i heard it about the age of 10. so then followed all the brit punk of the late 70's and early eighties, oi! music, skinhead bands, ska and reggae. i have a wide range of other musical interests but i still turn to punk when im in the mood

[Laava]

I get sick of the whole " the first punk band was" and having to put a label on everything. Like when people have to argue the difference between ska and reggae and dub and dubstep and skiffle etc etc. It kinda sucks the fun really.
Getting back to the subject, john lydon has actually done some good music both solo and with Sex Pistols. He is a prat tho. I saw a few punk bands or bands from that era in the 90's in london, like Stiff Little Fingers, the Stranglers, Van Halen, Living Colour, Feckin Ejits( I was mates with the paki bass player) and some others.
I highly rate The Ramones Iggy Pop and SLF.
Modernwise you can't go past the Living End for class!

[HenryDorsetCase]

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RIP Gerald Dwyer.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Getting back to the subject, john lydon has actually done some good music both solo and with Sex Pistols. He is a prat tho.

I think less so now (but fuck, its taken nearly 40 years!

I am a huge fan of PiL also.

[Big Dave]

I think less so now

A smart man with great shtick for garnering headlines.

[SVboy]

I went to the Clash at the ChCh town hall. The skinheads showed their appreciation by gobbing at the band. Joe Strummer stopped the concert until they stopped expectorating! Went to the the Ramones at the same venue-right at the front by a speaker stack...ears rung for three days.............