Sad testimony to greed

**Edbear** · 23rd October 2013, 10:26

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/9...cean-is-broken

**BuzzardNZ** · 23rd October 2013, 10:43

Looks like an ocean full of Shorai batteries to me.

**Banditbandit** · 23rd October 2013, 11:16

Yes .. I am sure that is all terribly worthy - but the writing style puts me off and I don't want to read it ...

**Paul in NZ** · 23rd October 2013, 11:24

Greed and a rotten big wave....

**SPman** · 23rd October 2013, 11:28

Not as though people couldn't see it coming...but the tsunami and the continual radiation leakage from Fukushima has made it worse by the sound of it......probably also linked in to the collapse of the NW US sardine fisheries this year - no fish!

**awa355** · 23rd October 2013, 11:59

" Not my problem, My fish comes from cans, not the sea."

And that is the problem. European toxic waste dumped off the coastlines of Africa, middle of the oceans etc. Out of sight, out of mind.

**Akzle** · 23rd October 2013, 12:36

the great pacific rubbish dump?

maybe not greed, certainly consumerism.

it's good though. y'all old cunts will be dead before it really becomes a problem. whatever you do. carry on as you do.

as you were.

**Tigadee** · 23rd October 2013, 12:36

Originally Posted by SPman

...but the tsunami and the continual radiation leakage from Fukushima has made it worse by the sound of it......

It'd be ironic if whatever fish were left ended up mutating into giant rapidly-breeding killer fishes that wiped out humankind...

**Hitcher** · 23rd October 2013, 14:15

That's not testimony to greed. It's testimony to selfishness. The same gene that makes smokers flick their butts willy nilly, rather than putting them in a bin is the same gene that's afoot here. People who are too selfish and self-absorbed to clean up their own mess and who assume that somebody else will put things right for them.

Leave things as you found them or better.

**mashman** · 23rd October 2013, 15:16

Originally Posted by Tigadee

It'd be ironic if whatever fish were left ended up mutating into giant rapidly-breeding killer fishes that wiped out humankind...

That'd be worth doing irrespective.

**mashman** · 23rd October 2013, 15:21

Originally Posted by Hitcher

That's not testimony to greed. It's testimony to selfishness. The same gene that makes smokers flick their butts willy nilly, rather than putting them in a bin is the same gene that's afoot here. People who are too selfish and self-absorbed to clean up their own mess and who assume that somebody else will put things right for them.

Leave things as you found them or better.

Nothing to do with big rumbles and bad waves then? I guess as it was a big rumble and a bad wave that no one needs to take responsibility for the mess, just let mother nature clean it up as it was her fault? Shits a mess coz no one is taking responsibility for it, no one has to take responsibility for it and as the article says, it'd be more expensive to clean it up than to just leave it... ergo, greed for money rules the day. All the money and fuel in the world ain't gonna help if the place is fucked up.

I agree with leaving things how or better than you found them.

**c4.** · 23rd October 2013, 17:16

Yes, I can personally confirm that there is some serious shit in the pacific right now.
I had lunch with last friday with a skipper off a super yacht who had just done the passage straight from Tahiti to NZ.
He and his crew noticed the lack of life and so made a very careful count.
They counted 25 birds on the WHOLE open sea voyage.
He was very concerned.
Mike has been skippering vessels worldwide for 20 years and has been on boats for 33 years.
He has never seen anything like it.
Scary stuff IMHO.

**Mom** · 23rd October 2013, 17:39

I read this article too. Shocking stats, but the pic used in the article bears no relation at all to the story. I get fed up with this sort of emotive reporting.

Sure, there is no doubt things are really grim out there, but I am with Hitcher about the causes. Each year up this way we have a clean up the beach event. One year I took a bunch of 6th formers (year 11) out to Omaha, and our group cleaned up the estuary side of the spit. Horrific! Unbelievable amounts of rubbish, including car batteries and tyres, bottles, plastic bags, you name it we found it. There was so much that we had to drop bags off to be collected later as we could not carry them they were so full. Absolutely disgusting!

Up in the Pacific there is the effects of the tsunami of course. That is horrible, and really could not have been avoided. But people treating the world we live in as a garbage bin should be shot at dawn, with a ball of their own shit, as far as I am concerned. Look, I am no hard core greenie either, I just do my best to limit the damage I do. Bring it in, carry it out. Don't just drop it. Same as storm water drains really, they only drain rain, but have a look at any beach at the shit they bring to the ocean.

Hey Hitcher. At least in Wellington they actually cater a bit for the smokers by providing somewhere safe to extinguish a smoke, most places don't. Left with no choice, the ground is the only logical place to put your butts. Revolting I agree, but apart from the obvious "don't smoke" comment, honestly, what should they do with them? I can actually ask this question with a clean conscience, I don't smoke anymore LOL.

**george formby** · 23rd October 2013, 18:02

I spent 4 years stood in my wee shop serving, over hearing & talking to the young & adventurous. Back packers on the trip of a life time to clean, green New Zealand. Our environment, the planet, was always a hot topic of conversation, much discussion of catastrophes, extinctions, deforestation & meltings etc.
Then I would watch them go next door to the dairy for an ice cream & throw the wrapper on the pavement, within a meter of the bin, I would watch them go out side for a fag & throw the butt on the pavement, the vast majority carried bottles of water from the dairy which they abandon everywhere, a zenith of ignorant consumerism & waste. Me me me is socially acceptable now if you have never lived without an internet connection.

I had hope that the future generation being exposed to the plight of the planet through their phones, tablets & computers would show a hint of salvation.
Er, no. They are bigger pigs than the last generation. Heart breaking.

**mashman** · 23rd October 2013, 18:06

Originally Posted by Mom

I read this article too. Shocking stats, but the pic used in the article bears no relation at all to the story. I get fed up with this sort of emotive reporting.

Sure, there is no doubt things are really grim out there, but I am with Hitcher about the causes. Each year up this way we have a clean up the beach event. One year I took a bunch of 6th formers (year 11) out to Omaha, and our group cleaned up the estuary side of the spit. Horrific! Unbelievable amounts of rubbish, including car batteries and tyres, bottles, plastic bags, you name it we found it. There was so much that we had to drop bags off to be collected later as we could not carry them they were so full. Absolutely disgusting!

Up in the Pacific there is the effects of the tsunami of course. That is horrible, and really could not have been avoided. But people treating the world we live in as a garbage bin should be shot at dawn, with a ball of their own shit, as far as I am concerned. Look, I am no hard core greenie either, I just do my best to limit the damage I do. Bring it in, carry it out. Don't just drop it. Same as storm water drains really, they only drain rain, but have a look at any beach at the shit they bring to the ocean.

Hey Hitcher. At least in Wellington they actually cater a bit for the smokers by providing somewhere safe to extinguish a smoke, most places don't. Left with no choice, the ground is the only logical place to put your butts. Revolting I agree, but apart from the obvious "don't smoke" comment, honestly, what should they do with them? I can actually ask this question with a clean conscience, I don't smoke anymore LOL.

Cool. So long as the beach is clean all is well.

Originally Posted by george formby

I spent 4 years stood in my wee shop serving, over hearing & talking to the young & adventurous. Back packers on the trip of a life time to clean, green New Zealand. Our environment, the planet, was always a hot topic of conversation, much discussion of catastrophes, extinctions, deforestation & meltings etc.
Then I would watch them go next door to the dairy for an ice cream & throw the wrapper on the pavement, within a meter of the bin, I would watch them go out side for a fag & throw the butt on the pavement, the vast majority carried bottles of water from the dairy which they abandon everywhere, a zenith of ignorant consumerism & waste. Me me me is socially acceptable now if you have never lived without an internet connection.

I had hope that the future generation being exposed to the plight of the planet through their phones, tablets & computers would show a hint of salvation.
Er, no. They are bigger pigs than the last generation. Heart breaking.

Wonder where the me me me generation got their me me me attitude from

. It is learned behaviour.