Sad testimony to greed

[Woodman]

I read this article too. Shocking stats, but the pic used in the article bears no relation at all to the story. I get fed up with this sort of emotive reporting.

Sure, there is no doubt things are really grim out there, but I am with Hitcher about the causes. Each year up this way we have a clean up the beach event. One year I took a bunch of 6th formers (year 11) out to Omaha, and our group cleaned up the estuary side of the spit. Horrific! Unbelievable amounts of rubbish, including car batteries and tyres, bottles, plastic bags, you name it we found it. There was so much that we had to drop bags off to be collected later as we could not carry them they were so full. Absolutely disgusting!

Up in the Pacific there is the effects of the tsunami of course. That is horrible, and really could not have been avoided. But people treating the world we live in as a garbage bin should be shot at dawn, with a ball of their own shit, as far as I am concerned. Look, I am no hard core greenie either, I just do my best to limit the damage I do. Bring it in, carry it out. Don't just drop it. Same as storm water drains really, they only drain rain, but have a look at any beach at the shit they bring to the ocean.

Hey Hitcher. At least in Wellington they actually cater a bit for the smokers by providing somewhere safe to extinguish a smoke, most places don't. Left with no choice, the ground is the only logical place to put your butts. Revolting I agree, but apart from the obvious "don't smoke" comment, honestly, what should they do with them? I can actually ask this question with a clean conscience, I don't smoke anymore LOL.

They could carry a tin around for their old ciggy butts and dispose of them properly later on. Smaller than the packet for the new ones. Their litter= their responsibility.

As for the fish. Fish farms. South East Asia have sustainable fish farms that the NZ fisherman protest outside supermarkets about. Greedy self obsessed fucks that they are.

[george formby]

They could carry a tin around for their old ciggy butts and dispose of them properly later on. Smaller than the packet for the new ones. Their litter= their responsibility.

As for the fish. Fish farms. South East Asia have sustainable fish farms that the NZ fisherman protest outside supermarkets about. Greedy self obsessed fucks that they are.

Smokers, where in that article did any body say they were sailing through mires of fag butts or witnessed Albatrosses sucking on a woodbine, eh, eh?
Recently saw in the news that over a million people in NZ are obese. Just did some quick sums, thanks google, about 20% of the population smoke, 800'000 people. That's a lot of ash tax. And their numbers are falling. The fat bastards who are really going to hit government services hard are swelling for next to nothing from plastic bottles, styrofoam take away containers, biscuit packets, energy drink tins etc and their numbers are growing. People are banging on about fag butts?
I guess it's perspective we each have our own not the complete one.

Sorry, not a nice tone but I am interested in what rattles peoples sabres.

Would love to see a link to how these sustainable fish farms work. Have seen combined operations with fish & crustaceans which are clean but the food still comes from a wild resource.

Oh, I dump my dumps in the bin, feel disgusted when I see butts on the street.

[pete376403]

Cant blame the tsunami for everything, the Great Pacific Garbage patch was noted back in 1997

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_P..._garbage_patch

[Brett]

I am fucking sick of people destroying the Earth. We pollute everything we touch. I don't think that greed is the issue though, rather selfishness, ignorance and not-giving-a-fuck because it will be the next generations problem. There are minorities doing everything that they can to stem the flow, but they are too few fighting too much. I know I sound like a real hippie - I'm actually pretty right wing in my views and once upon a time, thought that Greenpeace were the biggest bunch of space wasters around. I signed a Greenpeace petition last week. What changed? As an avid lover of the outdoors and someone who really enjoys nature and its wonders, I am heartbroken at what is happening to our lands and oceans. I don't mean that in a melodramatic sense either. 20 years time could see the end of many animal species. Imagine a world without tigers and rhino's? What treasures are we losing to deforestation before we have even found them in say, the Amazon jungle.

It's time for some change, and if not our generation...then who?

Post Script - the best thing for the Earth would be a collapse of the Human race. Harsh, but true.

[Brett]

Smokers, where in that article did any body say they were sailing through mires of fag butts or witnessed Albatrosses sucking on a woodbine, eh, eh?
Recently saw in the news that over a million people in NZ are obese. Just did some quick sums, thanks google, about 20% of the population smoke, 800'000 people. That's a lot of ash tax. And their numbers are falling. The fat bastards who are really going to hit government services hard are swelling for next to nothing from plastic bottles, styrofoam take away containers, biscuit packets, energy drink tins etc and their numbers are growing. People are banging on about fag butts?
I guess it's perspective we each have our own not the complete one.

Sorry, not a nice tone but I am interested in what rattles peoples sabres.

Would love to see a link to how these sustainable fish farms work. Have seen combined operations with fish & crustaceans which are clean but the food still comes from a wild resource.

Oh, I dump my dumps in the bin, feel disgusted when I see butts on the street.

Tobacco imports should be banned. Just my 2c. That, or tax the buggery out of imports (3 or 4 times current taxes) and put that $$ to better use - not politicians credit card bills for prostitutes.

[Akzle]

The same gene that makes smokers flick their butts willy nilly,

Leave things as you found them or better.

i never do. I pocket them if i have to.
I also (from my ute) watched some bitch in an mx5 at the lights, flick a butt out the window. Im sure they have ashtrays, so i flicked my cig in her window and drove off. Much hilarity.

Cant blame the tsunami for everything, the Great Pacific Garbage patch was noted back in 1997

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_P..._garbage_patch

and in post 7.

Tobacco imports should be banned. Just my 2c. That, or tax the buggery out of imports (3 or 4 times current taxes) and put that $$ to better use - not politicians credit card bills for prostitutes.

why? Smokers already contribute 5x as much to healthcare than they cost...
They should tax stupidity, and fast food. And alcohol. Cos that shit cost the plebians heaps.
But wait. Thats no benefit to the jews at the top.
Nevermind that, then.

[mossy1200]

Tobacco imports should be banned. Just my 2c. That, or tax the buggery out of imports (3 or 4 times current taxes) and put that $$ to better use - not politicians credit card bills for prostitutes.

i never do. I pocket them if i have to.
I also (from my ute) watched some bitch in an mx5 at the lights, flick a butt out the window. Im sure they have ashtrays, so i flicked my cig in her window and drove off. Much hilarity.

and in post 7.


why? Smokers already contribute 5x as much to healthcare than they cost...
They should tax stupidity, and fast food. And alcohol. Cos that shit cost the plebians heaps.
But wait. Thats no benefit to the jews at the top.
Nevermind that, then.

You need to look at it this way.
A smoker lives 10 years less than a non smoker.
That's 10 years less on goverbent super fund and medical care for hip replacements and so on.
Maybe we should encourage smoking and not tax it at all.

[Berries]

You need to look at it this way.
A smoker lives 10 years less than a non smoker.
That's 10 years less on goverbent super fund and medical care for hip replacements and so on.
Maybe we should encourage smoking and not tax it at all.

I've put on about five kilos since I gave up smoking last year. I have come to the conclusion that the ten years you get are the shitty ten years at the end where your eyesight goes, your memory goes and you shit yourself on the bus. No thanks. After much soul searching I have decided to start again, slim down, and not worry about the Super.

And I rarely eat fish so don't blame me. It's all these wankers who say "well ten years ago I could drop a line and pull up a fish just like that." Yes, we know, you've fucking taken them all. A fisherman complaining there are no fish? FFS, that's like Mark Lundy complaining he doesn't get a Valentines card from his wife anymore.

[jonbuoy]

Is it really the rubbish or is it the raping of fish species? A world wide limit on net and catch sizes might help.

[unstuck]

So, what will you do today that will see you become part of the solution, rather than being a part of the problem? Will you pick up that piece of rubbish thats blowing across your path while out walking? Will you make a sensible informed decision at the supermarket, or will you just buy what looks the prettiest? Or will you start a thread on a website about how bad the planet is, but keep on doing things that are not helping to fix the problem.

[The Reibz]

Is it really the rubbish or is it the raping of fish species? A world wide limit on net and catch sizes might help.

Trust me we are well past that. When I was up in the coral sea last year I witnessed a massive tuna baitball. Just in time for a purse netting boat to come in and scoop all of them out of the water in one shot. A whole eco system, gone. We had our chance with the ocean, its well passed being able to be fixed now. You can't farm fish effectively either, big pelagics move though thousands of km's of ocean. You can't breed them in a cage.

The whole snapper debate recently was a joke. I would be extremely lucky to get 9 good sized snapper in my favourite spots. The NZ rec fisher needs to realise that its not a endless resource for them to plunder. It will colapse at some point.

For all you hoki lovers out there heres what one actually looks like...

http://australianmuseum.net.au/Uploa...27_JFR_big.jpg

Still keen on eating them? Im pretty sure anything that lives over 1000m aint fit for human consumption.

Have a read of "Hook line and blinkers" written by NZ's biggest pole smoker, Gareth Morgan. Some of it actually isn't complete bullshit

[blue rider]

could would should


speculation all around, however this is a nice read and could would should maybe?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#ixzz2iYoIx6o8

There is also the slow poisioning of the pacific with fukushima leaking like a sieve. But as one can not see the radioactivity one should not concern ones pretty head or so.

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=fu...sm=93&ie=UTF-8

i was 18 when Tschernobyl went up. It is still not considered safe to collect mushrooms in the Alp Region of Europe, wild boar in the bavarian forest is dumped as radioactive waste etc. etc.

bikie chick in tschernobyl, nice story and nice pics.

http://www.kiddofspeed.com/


lets not worry, we are all walking dead anyways.

[mashman]

So, what will you do today that will see you become part of the solution, rather than being a part of the problem? Will you pick up that piece of rubbish thats blowing across your path while out walking? Will you make a sensible informed decision at the supermarket, or will you just buy what looks the prettiest? Or will you start a thread on a website about how bad the planet is, but keep on doing things that are not helping to fix the problem.

Dunno about you, but I'm gonna think positive thoughts and the problem will sort itself

[rustyrobot]

...think positive thoughts and the problem will sort itself

Yes, that's "The Secret" isn't it.

[Zedder]

Is it really the rubbish or is it the raping of fish species? A world wide limit on net and catch sizes might help.

A world wide limit on people might help.