Sad testimony to greed

[mashman]

Maths is important. It shows how much I don't care.
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Its this much by the way

That's a lot. I will find you and burn your slippers.

And we let them get away with it. It's not all tourists either. Take a walk in any resdidential area away from the tourist routes, and there'll still be plenty of litter to be seen.

Fairly certain that neither the residents, nor the tourists would be so free with their refuse in Singapore though.

heh... don't you get the death penalty for chewing gum or somefink?

Ideally people should turn up to Maccas/KFC/Supermarkets with their own containers and if they lose them they should be made to wait for a long time before they can get another. Or some variant of. Might make them think twice about discarding stuff willy nilly.

Well, positive thinking is healthy & positive actions are educational.

Where did the me me me come from? Technology. Behaviour is learned because we learn to adapt for our instinctive advantage. If we just imitated this conversation would never happen.
Read somewhere that we have more sensory input in one day than a person 200 years ago had in a lifetime. Freaky thought unless you like chunky boots or sails.

The Oceans? Fooked for the time being. Salinity & PH are changing, temperatures are varying, deep ocean currents are quietly & slowly spreading our toxins everywhere. The dominoes are teetering.

Onwards & upwards nevertheless. From little acorns... etc.

Put the pipe down, that's way too much sense to take in this late in the evening.

Aye, we need a relatively radical change or at least we need to introduce smart ways of limiting the damage... all easily doable depending on wont eh.

[jonbuoy]

We could all help a bit by not buying fish.

[mashman]

We could all help a bit by not buying fish.

That's not going to help. There's always someone that will buy the fish, just like there's always someone to take that spot whereby they can line their pockets and saddle some other poor fucker with debt. Individually we're highly unlikely to succeed.

[jonbuoy]

That's not going to help. There's always someone that will buy the fish, just like there's always someone to take that spot whereby they can line their pockets and saddle some other poor fucker with debt. Individually we're highly unlikely to succeed.

Not sure I get your logic there - if the number of fish consumers drops the demand for fish will drop.

[mashman]

Not sure I get your logic there - if the number of fish consumers drops the demand for fish will drop.

We waste a fuckload of food every year based on there being consumers.

Edit: The best way to do this is to stop the bulk fishing. It's indiscriminate and kills millions of fish that aren't required for the catch. Limiting the catch through less consumption will still kill millions of fish that'll never make it to the table.

[Tazz]

We waste a fuckload of food every year based on there being consumers.

It is something stupid like 40% in the states. Mind boggling.

[awa355]

We waste a fuckload of food every year based on there being consumers.

Edit: The best way to do this is to stop the bulk fishing. It's indiscriminate and kills millions of fish that aren't required for the catch. Limiting the catch through less consumption will still kill millions of fish that'll never make it to the table.

This sort of trawler doesn't help. Like running a huge shovel through the ocean. How many tons of fish would this size ship have to catch to pay for itself??

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...ads-down-under

[Akzle]

a subsistence lifestyle reduces your working week to 10hours.
Some nigga gotta go fishn.
10hours of fishin a week to meet the needs of my community?
Nah fuck that. Slave for 40 to benefit only my household. And jews.

[mashman]

This sort of trawler doesn't help. Like running a huge shovel through the ocean. How many tons of fish would this size ship have to catch to pay for itself??

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...ads-down-under

That's a big fishing boat. Wonder how many tonnes of unwanted fish that thing kills each year?

[george formby]

We should tax fish the same as cigarettes, all fish based products, too. Go the veggie cats!

Fuck it, lets have a plastic tax & a "bastard to fix" tax. The shorter a consumer items lifespan, the greater the tax, the longer it takes to bio degrade the more expensive.. etcera.

Then the gummint can spend this new found wealth on rich boys toy racing & better advertising for selling off our ecological & geographical assets. The extra profit can then go to ACC, Schools & the Police to fix their computers. Ah, utopia, just a decimal point away.

[Tazz]

Some supermarkets have/had? a fish chart thingo (red to green) showing which fish either had low populations or huge bycatches that were thrown back dead, and which were more abundant or did not require massive body counts of other fish to be thrown back before a boats freezer was considered 'profitably' full.

Small difference I know but looking at something like that and choosing to eat more sustainably, and then passing that onto your kids is a step in the right direction.

I had a couple of beers with a marine biologist recently who worked for the UK government and was sent over here to see what sort of systems we have in place to ensure the ocean is kept clean, and fishing sustainable. He said it is only due to the population being low, particularly in the South, that things are still in reasonable nick, but things are going to go to hell very soon if we don't put systems in place to maintain what we have (as opposed to trying to get it back once it's gone, which is where a lot of the UK is at). This isn't just fishing, it is pollution as well.

Oh yeah, he also said we are up to fark all when it comes to conservation compared to overseas, which was surprising to hear, but not unbelievable.

[Tazz]

Fuck it, lets have a plastic tax & a "bastard to fix" tax. The shorter a consumer items lifespan, the greater the tax, the longer it takes to bio degrade the more expensive.. etcera.

Considering the government/tax payers fund it anyway, I'd be all for a subsidy for companies that use more eco friendly packaging, therefore saving on the monetary (and environmental) costs of landfills.

Or turn it into energy? I was reading the other month that some Scandinavian country is importing rubbish to turn into electricity because they were to awesome at recycling and not creating enough rubbish to power the ingenious systems they have built. Seems a bit counter productive for sure, but it's the right idea. That is from my shitty memory too so I may have glossed over some of the details XD