Roastbusters

[scumdog]

Thinking back to school days - A lot of girls wanted older boyfriends- girls mature quicker than boys at that age so mentally older guys were more on their level. Add the kudos of "my boyfriend drives" or can buy cigarettes and booze. Not saying all girls but a lot of them did. A 15 year old girl having a boyfriend of 17 is hardly worthy of criminal charges is it?

Yeah, I know of a 16 year old who had a 20 year old boyfriend...she's now Mrs Scumdog.

I guess her being 16 made all the difference.

[Laava]

Pics or it didn,t happen.

[Mom]

A 15 year old girl having a boyfriend of 17 is hardly worthy of criminal charges is it?

Perhaps not. Unless of course he lets his mates root her as well. Then videos it, and posts it online with commentary that demeans his 15 year old "girl friend".

Lets make sure we all know and understand the situation that has happened here. These are young guys, that have NO respect for women. They have boasted online about what they have done. This is not a 17 year old boy, having consensual sex with his 15 year old girl friend.

No matter the age of the female involved, if she is drunk/stoned/whatever, unable to make informed decisions, can not consent and a bloke roots her, that is RAPE if she complains, and certainly RAPE if she is under the age of consent, no matter what!

Call it how you like. I am actually horrified that some of you seem to think that is ok! FUCK OFF!

[Mom]

I guess her being 16 made all the difference.

16 is the new drunk 13 year old then eh?

And it was all filmed and broadcast on the web for all and sundry to view.

You actually make me feel sick!

[jonbuoy]

16 is the new drunk 13 year old then eh?

And it was all filmed and broadcast on the web for all and sundry to view.

You actually make me feel sick!

No one thinks what they are accused of was OK. It could have been a 21 year old girl and a group of 21 year old guys and it still wouldn't be ok. It could have been a group of 13 year old guys "plying" another 13 year old girl with booze and then posting the results up on the Internet. The guys shouldn't have given the girls booze and the girls shouldn't have drunk it in the first place.

Mom - if you had a young daughter and she was caught drinking with a bunch of older guys I'm sure you would give her a bollocking and tell her it's stupid and risky behaviour. Or are you telling us you would think its ok because guys shouldn't take advantage of young/drunk girls in the first place?

[Madness]

Must be that time of the month.

[scumdog]

You actually make me feel sick!

No I don't Mum - you've taken what I said wrongly, out of context.

I was only pointing out a larger age gap in my case compared to an example mentioned by another poster.

[rustyrobot]

The guys shouldn't have given the girls booze and the girls shouldn't have drunk it in the first place.

I don't know. What if it was a bunch of 17/18 year old guys getting 13/15 year old guys drunk and then raping them. No one would be blaming the young guys for drinking and say "it's their fault they should have know better", but for some reason girls/women have to carry the blame for the older guys bad behaviour.

I think that some of what is making lots of people defensive in this case is that it makes them have to examine some of their own (previous) behaviour in a different light, and that is uncomfortable.

[The Reibz]

Must be that time of the month.

Redwingz-busters

[jonbuoy]

I don't know. What if it was a bunch of 17/18 year old guys getting 13/15 year old guys drunk and then raping them. No one would be blaming the young guys for drinking and say "it's their fault they should have know better", but for some reason girls/women have to carry the blame for the older guys bad behaviour.

I think that some of what is making lots of people defensive in this case is that it makes them have to examine some of their own (previous) behaviour in a different light, and that is uncomfortable.

Thats a good point - but were the girls physically pinned down and raped or fully unconscious at the time? Did things just go further than they wanted to - ie they found the guys attractive in the first instance but didn't have any intentions of sleeping with them and had so much to drink they lost all their inhibitions/self control? Were they physically forced to drink the alcohol?

If it was a straight guy and a gay guy there is no amount of alcohol that will make them go along with it.

Are these girls traumatised from the events or because it ended up being plastered all over the Internet?

[FROSTY:Me]

Frosty, these young fucks, bragged about plying 13y/old girls alcohol or what have you, and having group sex with them.

If you are under the age of consent, then no matter if you are a boy or a girl, the person you have sex with, potentially is up for a charge of Rape.

Underage sex is RAPE! The law defines it.

You are defining the problem that we have in todays society!

In your eyes, a young 16-17 year old boy, can have sex with an underage girl 13-14 years of age? It is just underage sex? Good luck with that when your little girl hits 13!

Reading your post again..." YOU get it and support that these girls are 13-15 years old so shouldn't be having sex."

However, You seem to be condoning the behaviour of these wankers, because they are 16-17 year olds. "The boys concerned equally are 16-17 year olds. so we aren't talking dirty old men here we are talking the same peer group."

Why "muddy the water with age"!?

ARE YOU SERIOUS?!

YOU mom have the wrong end of the stick.
Im saying that underage sex is one thing and rape is something different.

Sex between a couple in a loving relationship if one is under the age of 16 is underage sex in my view.
Allowing we are talking a year or two age gap.

Taking anyone out (regardless of age) drugging them with booze or any other drug to get sex is rape.



Incidently -I do think there is a lot of BS that got spouted by those young idiots. They wanted their 5 minutres of fame

paint me a cynic --but what bit of legislation got snuck past the kiwi public whilst we were focussed on this??

Oh amd Mom---scarey innit?--My girl IS 13 -the oldest lad is now 17 and baby bikie is 14.

[Winston001]

I managed to parent 3 kids to adulthood. The most important thing I instilled in them was self respect, the knowing that they deserve to be treated with respect, and they in turn should respect others.

The sex talks always included the talk about first time sex, and how it should be special. They were told they should it should take place somewhere nice, and it should be a very special time as you only get one go at the first time. No quick fuck in the back seat of a car.

Exactly. Bling sent.

There are two slightly different issues here which some posters have highlighted.

Firstly, it is unlawful to have sexual intercourse or any sexual connection with a child under the age of 16. Even if the other person is under 16 themselves. This is a no-go area.

Secondly, stupifying a girl/woman with alcohol or drugs means she cannot knowingly consent to a sexual act. Age is irrelevant. Sexual intercourse in those circumstances is rape even if she is 40+ years old. There is no lawful consent.

Yes it happens with adults and the result is self-loathing, feeling awful but no complaint is made. That still does not make it right and women do report rape sometimes. The problem for the police is if both parties were drunk and can't remember much, prosecution is impossible.

[jonbuoy]

Exactly. Bling sent.

There are two slightly different issues here which some posters have highlighted.

Firstly, it is unlawful to have sexual intercourse or any sexual connection with a child under the age of 16. Even if the other person is under 16 themselves. This is a no-go area.

Secondly, stupifying a girl/woman with alcohol or drugs means she cannot knowingly consent to a sexual act. Age is irrelevant. Sexual intercourse in those circumstances is rape even if she is 40+ years old. There is no lawful consent.

Yes it happens with adults and the result is self-loathing, feeling awful but no complaint is made. That still does not make it right and women do report rape sometimes. The problem for the police is if both parties were drunk and can't remember much, prosecution is impossible.

And deliberately stupefying is different to both being so drunk you can barely remember what happened the night before.

Its not unheard of for a reasonably sober girl to take home a guy she has had her eye on for a while and sleep with him even though he´s blind drunk and can barely remember anything the next day.

[jonbuoy]

Exactly. Bling sent.

There are two slightly different issues here which some posters have highlighted.

Firstly, it is unlawful to have sexual intercourse or any sexual connection with a child under the age of 16. Even if the other person is under 16 themselves. This is a no-go area.

Secondly, stupifying a girl/woman with alcohol or drugs means she cannot knowingly consent to a sexual act. Age is irrelevant. Sexual intercourse in those circumstances is rape even if she is 40+ years old. There is no lawful consent.

Yes it happens with adults and the result is self-loathing, feeling awful but no complaint is made. That still does not make it right and women do report rape sometimes. The problem for the police is if both parties were drunk and can't remember much, prosecution is impossible.

Were you over 16 when you lost your virginity?

[Winston001]

And deliberately stupefying is different to both being so drunk you can barely remember what happened the night before.

Beg to disagree although I don't want to get into debating words here. The central issue is too fundamental to argue about language.

Stupifying in law is regarded as the offence of administering drugs to a woman with intent to stupefy her ie. remove her ability for self-control. It stems from the Latin - be struck senseless. Alcohol is a drug just as much as retalin or chloroform.

So yes, being drunk is to be stupifyed and many of us have woken up wondering why we said that to the boss or went for a quick bike ride at night or got into a fight etc etc.

The thing is, a 17yr old girl who is drunk is no match for a 17yr randy guy who is drunk. If guys think this is normal behavior - a sporting challenge (which the FB page indicates) then we as a community have a problem.