Roastbusters

[jonbuoy]

Beg to disagree although I don't want to get into debating words here. The central issue is too fundamental to argue about language.

Stupifying in law is regarded as the offence of administering drugs to a woman with intent to stupefy her ie. remove her ability for self-control. It stems from the Latin - be struck senseless. Alcohol is a drug just as much as retalin or chloroform.

So yes, being drunk is to be stupifyed and many of us have woken up wondering why we said that to the boss or went for a quick bike ride at night or got into a fight etc etc.

The thing is, a 17yr old girl who is drunk is no match for a 17yr randy guy who is drunk. If guys think this is normal behavior - a sporting challenge (which the FB page indicates) then we as a community have a problem.

Even when I was at school if a girl lost her virginity to a boy it wasn't uncommon for a boy to brag and tell his mates what a great time he had and how easy she was so I don´t think that's anything new. But there is a difference between deliberately getting someone drunk purely to have sex with them and just drinking away together and then one thing leads to another.

Those guys shouldn´t have been drinking with those girls, those girls should not have been drinking with those guys. The guys are more in the wrong than the girls but the girls put themselves in a vulnerable position. Unless they were physically forced to get in the car and drink the alcohol?

[Winston001]

The guys are more in the wrong than the girls but the girls put themselves in a vulnerable position. Unless they were physically forced to get in the car and drink the alcohol?

Yeah understood but you do realise that is the same argument put forward by John Tamahere and Willie Jackson on their radio show? The result - about 20 major advertisers withdrew their money and their support. Classic Radio must be spewing.

Doesn't that show that the mainstream view is that young girls should not be taken advantage of? No matter how drunk, no matter their age. Do you really think vulnerable girls should be molested and videoed?

[jonbuoy]

Yeah understood but you do realise that is the same argument put forward by John Tamahere and Willie Jackson on their radio show? The result - about 20 major advertisers withdrew their money and their support. Classic Radio must be spewing.

Doesn't that show that the mainstream view is that young girls should not be taken advantage of? No matter how drunk, no matter their age. Do you really think vulnerable girls should be molested and videoed?

No of course not - I should be able to go out and leave my windows open and my front door unlocked, I should be able to leave my keys in my car and not worry about it being stolen. Young girls should be able to hang around and drink with older boys without being molested. Would you be happy about your daughter drinking that much at that age full stop? Its a horrible thing that's happened but people let the severity and nature of the crime cloud their logic.

[Winston001]

Would you be happy about your daughter drinking that much at that age full stop? Its a horrible thing that's happened but people let the severity and nature of the crime cloud their logic.

Oh well, I do have a 16yr daughter but I'm confident she would never get into such a situation. As Mom said earlier you teach children about self respect and being aware of dangers.

[jonbuoy]

Oh well, I do have a 16yr daughter but I'm confident she would never get into such a situation. As Mom said earlier you teach children about self respect and being aware of dangers.

I have a 16.5 year old stepdaughter I think we have made her aware enough of the dangers of loosing control when drinking, and dangers of drink spiking. I hope so anyway.

[mashman]

Those guys shouldn´t have been drinking with those girls, those girls should not have been drinking with those guys. The guys are more in the wrong than the girls but the girls put themselves in a vulnerable position. Unless they were physically forced to get in the car and drink the alcohol?

If the boys hadn't have been where the girls where, the girls would have been fine. Getting in a car, drinking, getting absolutely wasted does not give a person a license to rape. The girls where there getting pissed with boys, it happens, the boys where there to get the girls pissed with the intention of raping them. Do you think the boys opening gambit would be, if you get in the car with us, that's consent for us to rape you? And if it was, would the girls still get in the car. If the girls had have stripped naked and were grinding all over the guys, touching them suggestively etc... it is still not consent. The situation/circumstances are irrelevant.

[jonbuoy]

If the boys hadn't have been where the girls where, the girls would have been fine.

Exactly my point.

[Clockwork]

I've been reading this thread (but not really following the media story) from what I can tell this has been going on for a couple of years and no one is entirely clear when the 13 year olds were molested but I believe I heard that at least one of them talked to the Police about it two years ago.

What no one else seems to have observed here is that the "boys" themselves would have been two years younger, the age differences would be significantly less and these boys would/are still legally children themselves.

On another note, if I drink and choose to drive I'm expected to take full responsibility for my actions and choices while drunk so why do some folk here seem to think that if a woman gets intoxicated then she is not capable of consenting to sex so can later call it rape if she regrets her actions once she's sobered up?

[Flip]

When they get to prison its them who will be roasted.

Have you seen the latest media crap.........

Sin City.

[Laava]

Who you gonna call?

[scissorhands]

its the quiet ones you've got to watch out for

[Akzle]

its the quiet ones you've got to watch out for

-george carlin

[Zedder]

-george carlin

Well, he's dead so that would qualify as quiet even for him.

[pzkpfw]

There are countries where if a girl or woman is raped, even after she's able to prove it in a "justice" system stacked in favour of the males, she will end up being lashed or put in jail too!

Totally agree that people need to help avoid putting themselves in danger, and I do wonder what the parents knew about what these girls were doing at the time the offences occurred, but really, any talk of how short their skirts were (the cops brought this up in the interviews with the girls) or comparisons like "if I leave my keys in my unlocked car I can expect it to be stolen" just make me think - we don't live in one of those countries.


From what I've read, the boys in this case stayed sober while plying the girls with drink. That's a very deliberate act.

[husaberg]

it may have been mentioned but if theses alleged incidents occurred where where the young girls friends why weren't they looking out for them. i am not blaming any of the girls, but friends are meant to look out for friends when they have had to much to drink.