Roastbusters

[FROSTY:Me]

Exactly. Bling sent.

There are two slightly different issues here which some posters have highlighted.

Firstly, it is unlawful to have sexual intercourse or any sexual connection with a child under the age of 16. Even if the other person is under 16 themselves. This is a no-go area.

Secondly, stupifying a girl/woman with alcohol or drugs means she cannot knowingly consent to a sexual act. Age is irrelevant. Sexual intercourse in those circumstances is rape even if she is 40+ years old. There is no lawful consent.

Yes it happens with adults and the result is self-loathing, feeling awful but no complaint is made. That still does not make it right and women do report rape sometimes. The problem for the police is if both parties were drunk and can't remember much, prosecution is impossible.

gal darn it why diddn't ZI say it like that ??
That was what I was trying to say

[jonbuoy]

There are countries where if a girl or woman is raped, even after she's able to prove it in a "justice" system stacked in favour of the males, she will end up being lashed or put in jail too!

Totally agree that people need to help avoid putting themselves in danger, and I do wonder what the parents knew about what these girls were doing at the time the offences occurred, but really, any talk of how short their skirts were (the cops brought this up in the interviews with the girls) or comparisons like "if I leave my keys in my unlocked car I can expect it to be stolen" just make me think - we don't live in one of those countries.


From what I've read, the boys in this case stayed sober while plying the girls with drink. That's a very deliberate act.

Clearly you DO live in one of those countries!

[Indoo]

but really, any talk of how short their skirts were (the cops brought this up in the interviews with the girls)

Is it more plausible that a highly trained female detective who specializes in interviewing child victims of abuse, had the victim describe what she was wearing because she wanted to blame the child, or because getting a detailed description would be slightly important when it came to interviewing the suspects?

[Mom]

Is it more plausible that a highly trained female detective who specializes in interviewing child victims of abuse, had the victim describe what she was wearing because she wanted to blame the child, or because getting a detailed description would be slightly important when it came to interviewing the suspects?

I am not so sure. I wind up fairly quickly about this sort of thing, many on here will agree. My name is my way. I am not a cop hater! What you said here is really unfair on probably 99% of serving cops in NZ. What the victim was wearing is important, as to confirming what the victim says happened. It is common sense to see that she says she was wearing this and he raped her, then he says she was wearing the same...

I am not a cop, that is a job I would never entertain.

Lets wait for the investigations, and there findings. I will go hee if the cops are found wanting!

[pzkpfw]

Is it more plausible that a highly trained female detective who specializes in interviewing child victims of abuse, had the victim describe what she was wearing because she wanted to blame the child, or because getting a detailed description would be slightly important when it came to interviewing the suspects?

Is it plausible that a highly trained female detective who specializes in interviewing child victims of abuse, would be aware of the "blame the victim" issue, and would let the interviewee know the specific reason for the questions about her clothing, to avoid the predictable accusations?

[Indoo]

Is it plausible that a highly trained female detective who specializes in interviewing child victims of abuse, would be aware of the "blame the victim" issue, and would let the interviewee know the specific reason for the questions about her clothing, to avoid the predictable accusations?

Exactly, good to see you are now being logical. And given that the tone, method and conduct of the interview will be reviewed and scrutinized by the IPCA, there is no need to jump to baseless conclusions where you might be unfairly tarnishing the reputation of someone who has devoted a career to locking up child abusers.

[scumdog]

Is it plausible that a highly trained female detective who specializes in interviewing child victims of abuse, would be aware of the "blame the victim" issue, and would let the interviewee know the specific reason for the questions about her clothing, to avoid the predictable accusations?

And those others present during the interview will no doubt be able to confirm what was said - and in what context....

[pzkpfw]

And those others present during the interview will no doubt be able to confirm what was said - and in what context....

I can only go by what's been reported. It's an important issue (the "blame" attached to victims of rape, due to things like their clothing), and that's why I brought it up. Maybe the cops are innocent on this matter. If better information comes out later, maybe that'll clarify things.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...ters-teen-says

She also alleged that police asked her what she had been wearing and had said that she was wearing clothing "that were pretty much asking for it".

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...-Roast-Busters

Tolley asked the IPCA yesterday to investigate the case, particularly the questioning of a 13-year-old girl in 2011, saying the issue had been "poorly handled".

"Parents of young girls need to have confidence that complaints to police about sexual assault are investigated thoroughly and appropriately," she said.

She wants the IPCA to look at claims that police asked the victim what kind of clothes she was wearing.

[Zedder]

At least Tamihere and Jackson are off the air:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11155132

[Banditbandit]

At least Tamihere and Jackson are off the air:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11155132

Why ??? They did not say anything that has not been said here .. i.e. what were those girls doing out getting drunk ?? Where were the parents???

I do not see that as condoning rape or trying to blame the girls at all ..those are reasonable questions ...

[Scuba_Steve]

Why ??? They did not say anything that has not been said here .. i.e. what were those girls doing out getting drunk ?? Whwere were the parwents???

I do not see that as condoneing rape or trying to blame the girls at all ..those are reasonable questions ...

Cause advertisers pulled their cash moneys & businesses like cash moneys so they did whats best for the cash moneys... Simple economics

[Akzle]

and, theyre dicks.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Roast this you lil homos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...pS49KN00#t=200

[Zedder]

Why ??? They did not say anything that has not been said here .. i.e. what were those girls doing out getting drunk ?? Whwere were the parwents???

I do not see that as condoneing rape or trying to blame the girls at all ..those are reasonable questions ...

Really? So those people who were disgusted with their behaviour, including victim support professionals, are wrong.

Do you think the advertisers thought their questions were reasonable or were they just saving on advertising expenditure this month?

[BoristheBiter]

Really? So those people who were disgusted with their behaviour, including victim support professionals, are wrong.

Do you think the advertisers thought their questions were reasonable or were they just saving on advertising expenditure this month?

No, the advertisers are swayed by public opinion.