Drug testing?

[Drew]

So your earlier comment was again unqualified & irrelevant then?

That racers can infact afford A class drugs? No, I stand by that.

[Madness]

I'm impaired? You are not just implying that no one has ever been hurt on a track with drugs being a factor, it's the only conclusion I can draw from the way you say my analogies are wrong.

I'm saying your analogies are wrong when you look at the explanation you yourself provided to them, which I also quoted, as they made no sense to the discussion. I am not implying that no one has ever been hurt on a track with drugs being a factor at all (please don't misrepresent again, it's getting old) in fact I've asked repeatedly for examples which, if they do exist, are all top secret, ssshhhhhh!

[Madness]

That racers can infact afford A class drugs? No, I stand by that.

Based on visiting presumably every speedway track but the one that this discussion relates to.

Besides, do you or anyone else really believe that a racer could be competing under the influence of Heroin, Cocaine, LSD, Ecstacy or Meth without it being blaringly obvious to all without the need for a test? Dunno 'bout you cunts but I can usually spot a junkie or a tweaker a lot easier than someone who's had a puff on a doob.

[Drew]

I'm saying your analogies are wrong when you look at the explanation you yourself provided to them, which I also quoted, as they made no sense to the discussion. I am not implying that no one has ever been hurt on a track with drugs being a factor at all (please don't misrepresent again, it's getting old) in fact I've asked repeatedly for examples which, if they do exist, are all top secret, ssshhhhhh!

If it has happened, it's not public knowledge. Further, as a non member of any race club I wouldn't tell you if I knew of any.

You can go searching for coroners reports from accidents in the racing arena, I dunno how public they are. Think ya have to have an interest before you can get them though.

You won't get fuck all out of me, other than a smile and a middle finger.

[Drew]

Based on visiting presumably every speedway track but the one that this discussion relates to.

Besides, do you or anyone else really believe that a racer could be competing under the influence of Heroin, Cocaine, LSD, Ecstacy or Meth without it being blaringly obvious to all without the need for a test? Dunno 'bout you cunts but I can usually spot a junkie or a tweaker a lot easier than someone who's had a puff on a doob.

Well there ya go. Another solution!

You pay for the stoners to get accurate testing, and just stand at riders/drivers briefing pointing the definitive finger at the A class users.

All is fucken sorted now!

[Madness]

If it has happened, it's not public knowledge. Further, as a non member of any race club I wouldn't tell you if I knew of any.

You can go searching for coroners reports from accidents in the racing arena, I dunno how public they are. Think ya have to have an interest before you can get them though.

You won't get fuck all out of me, other than a smile and a middle finger.

I'm not really pressing you for examples as such, it was something I asked of the poster who suggested that smoking Cannabis, even 6 weeks prior to an event, somehow compromises the sport. The silence from said member is deafening, I assume he's just another drama queen with fuck all like yourself.

[Madness]

Well there ya go. Another solution!

You pay for the stoners to get accurate testing, and just stand at riders/drivers briefing pointing the definitive finger at the A class users.

All is fucken sorted now!

Is this your way of saying you give up Drew?

[Drew]

Is this your way of saying you give up Drew?

Hahahahahaha. I don't give up when I'm wrong, this is never gonna get old for me!

[Madness]

Hahahahahaha. I don't give up when I'm wrong, this is never gonna get old for me!

So you admit you're wrong then?

[Drew]

So you admit you're wrong then?

Now who's comprehension is lacking?

You don't have a leg to stand on. Get it through the haze and your thick skull.

Because it's illegal to smoke weed, any grievance you or anyone has regarding the testing thereof doesn't have to be taken seriously. And that's just to start. Every other thing you've decided is pro your side of the argument, doesn't excuse the use in the first place.

There are no 'rights' being overlooked, because acting in conflict with not only laws but terms of a signed contract are the prevailing issues.

[Madness]

Please do me a favour read the following four quotes from very recent posts. They are in the correct sequence & are not misrepresented...

Is this your way of saying you give up Drew?

I don't give up when I'm wrong, this is never gonna get old for me!

So you admit you're wrong then?

Now who's comprehension is lacking?

WTF? And you're on the "anti-drug" side of the discussion.

You don't have a leg to stand on. Get it through the haze and your thick skull.

Because it's illegal to smoke weed, any grievance you or anyone has regarding the testing thereof doesn't have to be taken seriously. And that's just to start. Every other thing you've decided is pro your side of the argument, doesn't excuse the use in the first place.

There are no 'rights' being overlooked, because acting in conflict with not only laws but terms of a signed contract are the prevailing issues.

You know, on a legal basis I wouldn't be surprised if you were correct. Still doesn't make it right though.

[haydes55]

Have any accidents occurred due to drug impaired racers? Undoubtedly so.

Have I got any examples? No, unless a fatality occurs or a serious injury is being protested and investigated, no one will find out. If it was found out I can bet my left nut no racing organisation wants that info to be well known that they allowed a drug impaired racer on the track.

Not every A class drug user is a crack head. Some heavy drug users can just take a hit every now and then. Have you ever met anyone who is drug free Sunday through Thursday then when they go to town or out partying they do a rail of cocaine or if their mates are doing a few hits of P they grab a needle.

People will want to take drugs before racing, whether to calm their nerves or enhance the buzz.

No one has the right to smoke, there is no right being infringed by urine testing. You have a right to privacy sure, but why is the burden on the organisation to ensure people can partake in illegal activities?

If weed didn't last longer than the buzz in your system, what type of test would you recommend be used?

Urine test is the obvious answer to screen for every drug. Why should the ideal test now be thrown out in favor of a less accurate indicator of all drugs just to allow people to smoke weed?

[gixerracer]

How was your Peroni the other day old man?

Retard it was after the day finished, I had one beer and did not ride for another 7 days

[Madness]

Have any accidents occurred due to drug impaired racers? Undoubtedly so.

Have I got any examples? No, unless a fatality occurs or a serious injury is being protested and investigated, no one will find out. If it was found out I can bet my left nut no racing organisation wants that info to be well known that they allowed a drug impaired racer on the track.

But by opting for the piss test you're eliminating anyone who may have been impaired to any level within the six weeks or more prior. The test exceeds the requirements.

Not every A class drug user is a crack head. Some heavy drug users can just take a hit every now and then. Have you ever met anyone who is drug free Sunday through Thursday then when they go to town or out partying they do a rail of cocaine or if their mates are doing a few hits of P they grab a needle.

Again, the reference to needles. Do you seriously think that when you go to the track & you're amongst your peers that you're amongst hyper dermic drug-users? I've been around a little while & I'm yet to come across anyone who has a few hits of P through a syringe and in all my years I've only ever heard third-party reference to cocaine use. Look up some stats, you're waffling on about drug issues that simply don't exist in this country on any significant scale.

People will want to take drugs before racing, whether to calm their nerves or enhance the buzz.

So use a test that is more relevant to identifying impairment at the time of the sample being taken then if drugs before racing is the issue.

No one has the right to smoke, there is no right being infringed by urine testing. You have a right to privacy sure, but why is the burden on the organisation to ensure people can partake in illegal activities?

There is no burden to ensure people can partake in illegal activities, just as there is probably no burden to drug test in the first place, other than for a duty of care which should be track-safety oriented rather than a lifestyle qualification. The NZ Police do not conduct roadside random piss testing for Cannabis, are they therefore "ensuring people can partake in illegal activities"?

If weed didn't last longer than the buzz in your system, what type of test would you recommend be used?

Out of the options being discussed here, the same one I'm recommending now.

Urine test is the obvious answer to screen for every drug. Why should the ideal test now be thrown out in favor of a less accurate indicator of all drugs just to allow people to smoke weed?

So don't throw it out, I can see how convenient it is from an administrative and cost perspective. A compromise might be to offer an optional mouth swab test at the cost of the racer, to be taken at the same time as the piss sample. Kind of like Drew's suggestion earlier, but less retarded. If they fail the piss test for THC but pass the mouth swab test, perhaps leniency could be applied, all at no cost to the organisation and in the interests of safety & fairness to competitors who may have had an innocent puff of on a Class-C marijuana cigarette some 6 weeks prior?

NZDDA will love it! Their sales just went up by 20%. It should stop the moaning within the ranks & I'll shut the fuck up.

What ya reckon?

[Drew]

Retard it was after the day finished, I had one beer and did not ride for another 7 days

I wasn't saying you drank it as eye opener and went riding, ballbag. I thought you were saying no one should ever do drugs, so was giving you shit about having a beer...Don't think I've ever seen you have one other than in that pic, finally you can be trusted!