Drug testing?

[Madness]

There's just one thing that keeps springing to mind. The harder drugs that leave your system, have no chance of impairing you if they don't show up in a piss test. Cannabis on the other hand, might show up because someone had a 'wake and bake' before they got out of bed.

If the goal of testing for Cannabis is actually to identify impairment, then surely a mouth swab would be better at catching the "wake & bake" user, as the piss test is relying on the THC passing through the entire body & all it's processes, by which time the impairment would in all likelihood have passed. Therefore, so far as meeting the objective - the piss test fails miserably, which is probably why the popo don't use it as their prosecutions wouldn't last 2-1/2 minutes in a court of law.

Hayden has tried to use the argument of excessive cost against offering both tests but it's been highlighted earlier that the swab test is only $4.00 more than the piss test & the total cost of the mouth swab test is only $22.00, slightly more than a South Auckland tinny. User pays, anyone?

[haydes55]

If the goal of testing for Cannabis is actually to identify impairment, then surely a mouth swab would be better at catching the "wake & bake" user, as the piss test is relying on the THC passing through the entire body & all it's processes, by which time the impairment would in all likelihood have passed. Therefore, so far as meeting the objective - the piss test fails miserably, which is probably why the popo don't use it as their prosecutions wouldn't last 2-1/2 minutes in a court of law.

Hayden has tried to use the argument of excessive cost against offering both tests but it's been highlighted earlier that the swab test is only $4.00 more than the piss test & the total cost of the mouth swab test is only $22.00, slightly more than a South Auckland tinny. User pays, anyone?

I never said the cost was an issue....

I also never said this was testing for marijuana...

It's a drug test, to test for as many drugs as possible. So as a method of checking participants for the presence of psychoactive substances being used by the participant, there is no better test. There are more drugs than just weed.

[haydes55]

Fuck that's a lot !

Not all at one meeting or in the same class though. But last I saw there are just under 200 registered solo riders in NZ... And that's probably one of the least popular speedway classes.

[Madness]

I never said the cost was an issue....

O.K, I'll give you that one, must have been Drewfus. So if cost isn't an issue & if a user-pays approach is taken to a mouth swab test as an optional secondary test, why not look into it?

I also never said this was testing for marijuana...

But it includes testing for THC, the active ingredient in Cannabis. Semantics? I don't have any issues with you muppets testing for Cocaine, Heroin, Ecstacy, etc, etc as any positive result is in all likelihood a result of recent ingestion, therefore a potential safety issue. It's a waste of money testing for those drugs in my opinion but it's your money to waste.

It's a drug test, to test for as many drugs as possible. So as a method of checking participants for the presence of psychoactive substances being used by the participant, there is no better test. There are more drugs than just weed.

Yeah but the thing is that THC ingested 6 weeks prior to sampling is hardly active on anyones psycho, innit. You might as well line 'em all up & ban any cunt whose eyes are too close together or you don't like their haircut, this would be equally as scientific as what's being proposed in regards to eliminating risk as a result of Cannabis use.

[kiwi cowboy]

...rules is rules...we are bound by the fucking things in just about all areas of life...the fact that some people's first breathe of oxygen when they open their eyes in the morning is enough to kick their brain dead actions into life without any need of adding mind altering drugs should be tested for also...that would reduce the numbers involved in any activity by a big percentage...all we need is an agency to get the contract to test and create the numbers for how much oxygen is too much...

i dunno if I like being talked about ya mongrel:bleh

[vinducati]

If you are racing, then the simple answer is don't smoke dope.
Don't see why that is so hard for some people.
You can quit racing and go back to dope smoking.
I don't see why it's so hard.
Or join a band, we drug test to make sure you are on something

[unstuck]

If you are racing, then the simple answer is don't smoke dope.
Don't see why that is so hard for some people.
You can quit racing and go back to dope smoking.
I don't see why it's so hard.
Or join a band, we drug test to make sure you are on something

That makes way to much sense, your not from round here are you?

[Akzle]

It's a drug test, to test for as many drugs as possible. So as a method of checking participants for the presence of psychoactive substances being used by the participant, there is no better test. There are more drugs than just weed.

yes. But P will be out of your system (=clean test) in a day or 2, eccy, be surprised if it showd up after 5 days, lsd, peyote, salvia, the same, heroin, basicalky once youve come down. So someone could have a fear and loathing style binge and race the next weekend. Which wouldnt be a problem, if it werent for all the damn batts!

[vinducati]

All joking aside.
If you race you have a serious responsibility to the other riders on the track.
Also to their family and yours.
They idea of testing for one drug is really not the point.
The point is attempting to change the culture some people are into.

If you want to take drugs at all, like I said join a band.

[Madness]

All joking aside.
If you race you have a serious responsibility to the other riders on the track.
Also to their family and yours.

Just as everyone on the road has a responsibility to other road users & their family every day. Sure, the speeds are higher on a track but the level of preparedness & skill on a track is also much higher.

They idea of testing for one drug is really not the point.
The point is attempting to change the culture some people are into.

Correct. This is an attempt at social engineering under the false pretence of being a safety initiative.

If you want to take drugs at all, like I said join a band.

Or just smoke methamphetamine which clears out of the system in 2 days.

[vinducati]

It is not social engineering.
That is just paranoid.
I understand that you may feel it is pointless.
You are more than entitled to your view, as am I.
I still believe it is not a bad idea to encourage people to at least think about the things the put into themselves, and how that may effect their judgment.

[jellywrestler]

yes. But P will be out of your system (=clean test) in a day or 2, eccy, be surprised if it showd up after 5 days, lsd, peyote, salvia, the same, heroin, basicalky once youve come down. So someone could have a fear and loathing style binge and race the next weekend. Which wouldnt be a problem, if it werent for all the damn batts!

if they do a hair test then the traces will be there long term......

[codgyoleracer]

You're a bit slow eh?

Testing for the presence of THC is not the same as testing for being high.

I tried P once. Rode a ZZR1100 from Auckland to Wellington on a beautiful autumn day. It was fucking epic.

And your a bit of a dick, - funny how the world has a habit of balancing things out.

[scrivy]

And your a bit of a dick, - funny how the world has a habit of balancing things out.

You talking about the Darwin effect?

[haydes55]

You talking about the Darwin effect?

I like Darwin awards being handed out to those who deserve it... I hate when Darwin awards have collateral damage.