Drug testing?

[Madness]

That's a bit vague chief...But I think that's kind of the purpose of the statement.

Drugs taken show up in a competitors system. Competitor goes home. End of.

"Waaaaaaaahhhhhhh, I took the drugs ages ago"!

"Prove it fucktard".

"Waaaaaaaahhhhhhh, I can't prove it because other people wont pay for the kind of testing that would make it possible".

Ya get it yet 'blaze'?

Your mum should have called you Jimmy instead, coz you're a bit special aren't you?

Hayden has said there are swab tests available that can determine more recent use as opposed to more historic use. The reasoning behind the apparent preference to overlook this option doesn't appear to be down to cost, rather a discriminatory attitude towards Cannabis users. If it's truly about safety use the swab tests, if this is the best that is available to determine actual likely impairment. It's an ethics debate Drew, something obviously beyond your comprehension. Why don't you go & find a thread with some muppet on a GN250 with a misfire or summat, "blaze" them with your prowess?

[Katman]

An interesting statement. Please elaborate for those of us not in the know.

I'll leave you to do the detective work Drew.

[ellipsis]

...rules is rules...we are bound by the fucking things in just about all areas of life...the fact that some people's first breathe of oxygen when they open their eyes in the morning is enough to kick their brain dead actions into life without any need of adding mind altering drugs should be tested for also...that would reduce the numbers involved in any activity by a big percentage...all we need is an agency to get the contract to test and create the numbers for how much oxygen is too much...

[scrivy]

...rules is rules...we are bound by the fucking things in just about all areas of life...the fact that some people's first breathe of oxygen when they open their eyes in the morning is enough to kick their brain dead actions into life without any need of adding mind altering drugs should be tested for also...that would reduce the numbers involved in any activity by a big percentage...all we need is an agency to get the contract to test and create the numbers for how much oxygen is too much...

We have a winner!!!

[SMOKEU]

So? The answer is to stop smoking weed at least five weeks before a race, or face the possibility of being sent home.

It's not that difficult to grasp. It all circles back to the same thing. If a test for impairment is not available, then users and not the organisers are responsible for not showing traces.

It's still not fair or just to reprimand someone when there is no conclusive evidence to prove that the user is under the influence. Circumstantial evidence is just that; circumstantial. These sorts of accusations can have serious consequences, and should not be taken lightly. If there really is a well proven technology that can accurately determine whether or not a user is currently under the influence of cannabis, then these tests can be carried out immediately before the race commences, otherwise, the rider should be assumed to be proved innocent until proven guilty.

A racer could easily consume synthetic cannabis products, many of which can successfully circumvent common drug tests for cannabis.

[jellywrestler]

3 or 4, hactually.

the drugs must have got to you if you can't even remember whether it's 3 or 4 methinks..........

[Drew]

Your mum should have called you Jimmy instead, coz you're a bit special aren't you?

Hayden has said there are swab tests available that can determine more recent use as opposed to more historic use. The reasoning behind the apparent preference to overlook this option doesn't appear to be down to cost, rather a discriminatory attitude towards Cannabis users. If it's truly about safety use the swab tests, if this is the best that is available to determine actual likely impairment. It's an ethics debate Drew, something obviously beyond your comprehension. Why don't you go & find a thread with some muppet on a GN250 with a misfire or summat, "blaze" them with your prowess?

"Discriminatory attitude toward cannabis users". You have a problem with MY fucken ethics or understanding thereof, because people breaking the law are being discriminated against? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA. That right there you bloody idiot, is JENGA mutha fucker.

Thanks for playing, you fucken lose.

Jesus titty fucking christ, but some cunts just don't know when they're beaten.

I'll leave you to do the detective work Drew.

At least give me the class they raced in, so I know where to start asking...Wouldn't it be funny if the first person I asked said. "Me".

[jellywrestler]

At least give me the class they raced in, so I know where to start asking...Wouldn't it be funny if the first person I asked said. "Me".

get back to the gossip column in the womans day Drewpy, it's old news and he's not racing these days...

[Drew]

get back to the gossip column in the womans day Drewpy, it's old news and he's not racing these days...

I'm always the last to know this sort of stuff.

Do people not tell me, because the first person I'd then talk to about it would be the person being talked about?

[Madness]

Jesus titty fucking christ, but some cunts just don't know when they're beaten.

That's the second thing you've said in this thread that I agree with. The rest of it's pretty pathetic but there's no surprises there. It's a pity you've got nothing to further this discussion with really, ho-hum.

[Drew]

That's the second thing you've said in this thread that I agree with. The rest of it's pretty pathetic but there's no surprises there. It's a pity you've got nothing to further this discussion with really, ho-hum.

You're gonna chalk having no point at all, and arguing that the rights of criminals are to be upheld over others, as a win?

You should get tested man. If you are fit, you could bring home gold at the special Olympics!

[Madness]

You're gonna chalk having no point at all, and arguing that the rights of criminals are to be upheld over others, as a win?

You should get tested man. If you are fit, you could bring home gold at the special Olympics!

If you think that my suggestion that it is unethical to subject racers to disciplinary action over a positive THC test that could have resulted from ingesting the substance some 5 or 6 weeks prior, whilst more subjective testing methods are available and more likely to identify recent use, therefore a heightened risk being present as a result of actual Cannabis "impairment", is somehow related in any way to diminishing the rights of a third party, then you sir, are a fuckwit.

[Drew]

If you think that my suggestion that it is unethical to subject racers to disciplinary action over a positive THC test that could have resulted from ingesting the substance some 5 or 6 weeks prior, whilst more subjective testing methods are available and more likely to identify recent use, therefore a heightened risk being present as a result of actual Cannabis "impairment", is somehow related in any way to diminishing the rights of a third party, then you sir, are a fuckwit.

So there's a conclusive test for impairment, from THC?

[Madness]

So there's a conclusive test for impairment, from THC?

The popo here prosecute based on a roadside physical test for impairment that doesn't involve the taking of bodily samples (tippy-toe ten paces, watch the moving finger, etc) whilst the Australian popos use the swab tests that were mentioned in the OP. I'm not aware of any law enforcement agencies who insist on roadside piss-tests, probably because the science is fundamentally flawed and to prosecute on such testing would be unethical.

You know, I reckon that if some of you drama queens actually took the time to read posts properly, threads such as this one would probably die before they hit page 3. Still, thanks for the entertainment.

[malcy25]

Sure, but that trace of alcohol could not be the result of alcohol consumption some 5-6 weeks prior, could it Einstein?

True, but the THC reading could be a result of a lighting a cleansack full an hour ago too. Simple really, any reading, bye bye.

None of the testing is about impairment testing, it's an objective test, yes/no, is/isn't on the basis of there being no ability to determine how long ago and what influence. So any reading could be a precursor or indicator of impairment.

I'm a long time racer any testing protocol which weeds this shit out is fine by me.

Personally, I think drugs are for douches trying to hide from something called life.