Referendum on Asset Sales

[oldrider]

Epic fail yes but they will still claim a victory and spin it to their faithful as fact! ... The worst bit is that the faithful believe it already!

Non so blind as those who will not see!

[geoffc]

Stealing 9 million dollars of taxpayers money winds up with catastrophic defeat for the Greens and Labour.

What did the hand wringers manage? 895,322. 29% of eligible voters.

Incredibly 432,950 people told them to fuck off. Even though there was absolutely nothing riding on the referendum result and no need for them to vote at all.

Epic fail.

Yeah you are bound to be right. Pity 200 000 plus petitioned for this vote. Surprising that anyone voted anyway when Key & English said they would not take any notice of the outcome. But then if they choose to go ahead and sell more assets I wonder if that might piss off a few voters. I mean some of that 895 322 might not be paid up Green or Labour supporters. Yeah 'Epic fail.' Just a mere 2/3 of those 1.3 million that bothered to vote. Just 1.3 million.

[oldrider]

This whole argument is null and void, nobody is really taking any notice of it anyway = epic fail = waste of time energy and money. moving right along!

[husaberg]

Epic fail yes but they will still claim a victory and spin it to their faithful as fact! ... The worst bit is that the faithful believe it already!

Non so blind as those who will not see!

This whole argument is null and void, nobody is really taking any notice of it anyway = epic fail = waste of time energy and money. moving right along!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zea...election,_2011

Bigger majority than actually voted for the incumbents....
Poilitical parties that don't take notice of the will of the majority don't last long the National "majority" is tenuous as it is.
Relying a lot on the smaller parties that don't do so well when they are in Goverment.....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...rnment-certain

[avgas]

Imagine you have 3 candidates standing for your electorate.
Candidate A for National
Candidate B for Greens
Candidate C for Labour.

See this is why I gave up on Democrazy and Voting all together.

I kept seeing these forms that didn't have "D - none of the above."

Which is why I keep laughing and the voting faithful who says I wasted my votes....

A - Eat shit
B - Drink Piss
C - Shit/Piss in a blender for 2

Whats ya poison?

It's already been figured out through referendum that people don't like anything the government does? So why can't we fire them?

[oldrider]

See this is why I gave up on Democrazy and Voting all together.

I kept seeing these forms that didn't have "D - none of the above."

Which is why I keep laughing and the voting faithful who says I wasted my votes....

A - Eat shit
B - Drink Piss
C - Shit/Piss in a blender for 2

Whats ya poison?

It's already been figured out through referendum that people don't like anything the government does? So why can't we fire them?

Well, we can, every three years ... that will be next year! ..... But who or what will take their place? FFS! .... We have almost no say in "that process"!

We (taxpayer/electorate) just give the politicians permission to select a government amongst themselves ... we have no further say in the final outcome!

Scary eh. ..... Compared to that I would rather keep what we have got, warts and all, at least for another three years! Then review it again!

[James Deuce]

Those of you who didn't bother to vote are idiots.

You can fuck off.

Cheers.

[oldrider]

The Helen Clark Labour government did more unannounced social engineering than any NZ government before or since and all we ever heard from the left was silence!

At least the partial 49% freeing up of taxpayer money through personal choice asset share sales was well heralded before the election took place!

The screaming hysteria currently being vented by the previous silent left is anti democratic and irresponsible waste of taxpayer money.

[Zedder]

No it wasn't 67% against asset sales, it was 67% against partial sales.

Imagine you have 3 candidates standing for your electorate.
Candidate A for National
Candidate B for Greens
Candidate C for Labour.

When you come to vote the voting paper simply asks "Do you support Candidate B as your next MP?" A and C are not mentioned. How will you vote?

In this referendum there were 3 main choices: No sales; partial sales; or full sales. But the only choice we had to vote for was partial sales. The other 2 choices were not mentioned. Thus the NO vote only tells us that Partial sales was not the preffered choice. It still doesn't tell us how many are against ALL assett sales.

In fact there should have been 15 choices available. 5 comapanies with 3 possible choices for each.

Exeactly, it's all about how the questions are asked. Similar to "Lies, damned lies and statistics".

[puddytat]

The screaming hysteria currently being vented by the previous silent left is anti democratic and irresponsible waste of taxpayer money.

All Im hearing from you is hysterical screaming.....

[oldrider]

All Im hearing from you is hysterical screaming.....

Thank you ... does that mean we are still friends then?

[carbonhed]

All Im hearing from you is hysterical screaming.....

You stole 9 million dollars of taxpayers money and got 29% of eligible voters. It's hysterical laughter.

What's the plan? Steal more?

[SPman]

The Helen Clark Labour government did more unannounced social engineering than any NZ government before or since and all we ever heard from the left was silence!
.

Whereas the current governments social engineering is right there in your face.....and if you don't like it well fuck you we don't care!

[James Deuce]

Most of this thread has confirmed my desire to remain identified as a left-leaning liberal, a position entirely concomitant with the views and aspirations of the Holyoake National Government of the '60s.

Conservative Neo-Liberalism is an horrific perversion of the purpose inherent in governing social groupings and is a reversion to the style of government used to power mankind's rapid expansionism after the discovery of agriculture. If you aren't part of the ruling elite, you're cannon fodder, breeding stock, or useless dead-weight. One hopes this is the death throes of Western European white-male entitlement. Bit of a shame you lot have to try and ruin the lives of so many people who simply want to exist, while you thrash your rotten tentacles about.

I'm picking that Jurgen Habermas can give up. The Enlightenment is dead.

[Zedder]

Most of this thread has confirmed my desire to remain identified as a left-leaning liberal, a position entirely concomitant with the views and aspirations of the Holyoake National Government of the '60s.

Conservative Neo-Liberalism is an horrific perversion of the purpose inherent in governing social groupings and is a reversion to the style of government used to power mankind's rapid expansionism after the discovery of agriculture. If you aren't part of the ruling elite, you're cannon fodder, breeding stock, or useless dead-weight. One hopes this is the death throes of Western European white-male entitlement. Bit of a shame you lot have to try and ruin the lives of so many people who simply want to exist, while you thrash your rotten tentacles about.

I'm picking that Jurgen Habermas can give up. The Enlightenment is dead.

It's not just the thrashing of the tentacles that's the problem though. It's the pervasive effect of those tentacles and complete disregard for, not only the people who "simply want to exist", but those who want to enjoy their existance, their loved ones and the things that provide positive endorsement of a life well lived.