Referendum on Asset Sales

[oldrider]

Well next year there will be another pretend election and the electorate will give some politicians permission to form a government again.

No one will be satisfied with that poll either because it is the politicians who ultimately decide who will be in charge by forming a government!

The outcome will not be known until it is announced by the leader of the largest party of the group that form a coalition with each other.

That group will then swear allegiance to each other and their own needs will be seen to before the elector/taxpayers will ever be considered.

Be prepared to be pissed off with the outcome it wont be what you (or anyone else for that matter) think it will be or want it to be! Dissatisfaction? .. Guaranteed!

[avgas]

Not good with maths are we... 43.9% of eligible voters voted

I also see you like to tout the "$9mil" for the referendum but make no mention of the $69mil (excluding investor enticements) your masters have spent thus far on trying to sell the assets

Not to mention the Billions (yes that is right 1000's of Millions) it took to get the assets to where they are now.

Never trust anyone who buys something for millions, invests 10's of billions to get is working, then sells it for 100's of millions.

Net Loss in the 1000%

[BoristheBiter]

Not to mention the Billions (yes that is right 1000's of Millions) it took to get the assets to where they are now.

Never trust anyone who buys something for millions, invests 10's of billions to get is working, then sells it for 100's of millions.

Net Loss in the 1000%

You're talking about Kiwirail right?

[Banditbandit]

That was kind of my point though. The connotations of essentially denotative labels change wildly to suit the message and media.

Just passed media Studies 101 have we ???

[Banditbandit]

I'm picking that Jurgen Habermas can give up. The Enlightenment is dead.

Yeah .. well he was a bit of a left leaning fascist too ... there's Habermas' way or everyone else is wrong ... Have you actually read Between Facts and Norms?

I wonder how many people would say they fit that tag. Especially as it's use now is almost exclusively by the left, and derogatory.

I believe that ACT call themselves The Liberal party - and in most ways they are correct.

Which is just one example of why labels can't be trusted. Liberal, after all simply means free, as in not constrained.

Hmm Liberated means free and unconstrained ... In political terms, Liberal means a political position in which personal freedom is the highest value, even over equality/equity.

[BoristheBiter]

Hmm Liberated means free and unconstrained ... In political terms, Liberal means a political position in which personal freedom is the highest value, even over equality/equity.

Isn't the US suppose to be liberal?

[Banditbandit]

Isn't the US suppose to be liberal?

I think you'll find that the US is a mix of political persuasions ... and do you mean liberal with a small l (which indicates something different from Liberal with a capital L ...) ???

[oldrider]

Arguably the most left wing news paper and university in New Zealand and Dr Bryce Edwards struggles to report anything victorious about the referendum!

That in it's self speaks volumes about the failure of the whole sordid political stunt. http://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/2...ales-opponents

[avgas]

You're talking about Kiwirail right?

MRP also comes to mine. Telecom. Auckland Airport......did I miss one?

[BoristheBiter]

I think you'll find that the US is a mix of political persuasions ... and do you mean liberal with a small l (which indicates something different from Liberal with a capital L ...) ???

yes, it would be a very small L.

MRP also comes to mine. Telecom. Auckland Airport......did I miss one?

probably, BNZ and the ports come to mind. my point was more don't just single out one item, or party.

[Ocean1]

Hmm Liberated means free and unconstrained ... In political terms, Liberal means a political position in which personal freedom is the highest value, even over equality/equity.

Thank you teacher. In fact the political term liberal was hijacked by the left long ago, libertarian is probably as close as you'll get to the original meaning. Unfortunately in NZ people see ACT as the libertarian flag-waver, and ACT has become a joke.

True liberty, far from the antithesis of equity is the only real way towards equality. Equality of opportunity, that is. Some like to imagine that all pigs are equal so far as to require remuneration to be equal, an equity of outcomes.

Which, far from true equality is plain simple old fashioned envy.

[scumdog]

i dont get any mail. Cos my caravan doesnt hav a letterbox. Plausable deniability.
Im also not enrolled to vote. If i wanted other people to make decisions for me id go back to rehab, or jail.

Somebody in rehab or jail decided which side of the road you're meant to ride??

[scumdog]

That was kind of my point though. The connotations of essentially denotative labels change wildly to suit the media.

Fixed it for you, no worries!

[Clockwork]

Thank you teacher. In fact the political term liberal was hijacked by the left long ago, libertarian is probably as close as you'll get to the original meaning. Unfortunately in NZ people see ACT as the libertarian flag-waver, and ACT has become a joke.

True liberty, far from the antithesis of equity is the only real way towards equality. Equality of opportunity, that is. Some like to imagine that all pigs are equal so far as to require remuneration to be equal, an equity of outcomes.

Which, far from true equality is plain simple old fashioned envy.

People are not equal and of course there won't/shouldn't be equality of outcomes but left unchecked the advantaged will only ever increase their advantage (in a myriad ways). Money naturally follows money and power naturally follows power and society will polarise with fewer and fewer becoming richer and richer while the rest get poorer and poorer.

This is self evident, in the last 20/30 years the ruling classes get wealthier and the working classes are getting poorer. As a society do you suppose we were happier/better-off during the wealth disparities of the Victorian era or later in the 60's 70's when the wealth gaps had been closed?

Would you be happy to return to living in a feudal society? Would you imagine you will be one of the Lords or one of the Peasants? If a Government doesn't attempt to redress the balance of power and wealth within its society, to create and maintain a level playing field and some sort of equality of opportunity then wouldn't this be the logical outcome? If not, I'd like to hear how you would expect a libertarian society to develop.

[BoristheBiter]

People are not equal and of course there won't/shouldn't be equality of outcomes but left unchecked the advantaged will only ever increase their advantage (in a myriad ways). Money naturally follows money and power naturally follows power and society will polarise with fewer and fewer becoming richer and richer while the rest get poorer and poorer.

This is self evident, in the last 20/30 years the ruling classes get wealthier and the working classes are getting poorer. As a society do you suppose we were happier/better-off during the wealth disparities of the Victorian era or later in the 60's 70's when the wealth gaps had been closed?

Would you be happy to return to living in a feudal society? Would you imagine you will be one of the Lords or one of the Peasants? If a Government doesn't attempt to redress the balance of power and wealth within its society, to create and maintain a level playing field and some sort of equality of opportunity then wouldn't this be the logical outcome? If not, I'd like to hear how you would expect a libertarian society to develop.

Could you please point me in the direction of theses ruling classes you speak so much of.
Do you know who/what they are or is it just regurgitating the party lines.

The only thing that is self evident is the higher proportion today of those that think they are entitled to some thing they haven't worked for.

It's life, it's not fair, there is no level playing field, you are not special move on.