The Bucket Foundry

[WilDun]

Yes, but do you want it here, as a continuation of a digression-from-topic which might by now have become annoying to others, or elsewhere, or as a PM, . . .??

That's a difficult one Smitty
It's very interesting indeed and a bit of digression is always very welcome to fill in, but ( quite frankly it makes my efforts look even more pathetic than they are!.).

Guess so long as the subject is somewhere in the ballpark......but, this is big and it's like transferring a whole forum into this one, swamping everybody's efforts!! - is the guy actually willing to participate himself, or does he just want to transpose and juggle forums? but he can answer that for himself.
This is however only my opinion, can't say it really annoys me much, so long as it doesn't get out of hand (but has it?)

Flettner's efforts with the foundry stuff and his new engine development however are day by day in real time and really the mainstay of the thread - of course there is Mike T, Husa, also the guy who started the thread, YowLing but what do those guys and all the others who contribute, think?

PS I see Yow Ling has already given his opinion.

[Yow Ling]

http://www.boatracingfacts.com/forum...A-looper-Beast Very interesting thread with tons of pictures from machining parts seattle smitty could shed some light on this propably.

Amazing thread , will take a bit to digest all of that, 100% relevant to this thread

[WilDun]

Amazing thread , will take a bit to digest all of that, 100% relevant to this thread

If you are happy with how the thread is going, then there's really no problem at all, it interests me too but, as you say it will take a bit of digesting.

I haven't seen TZ's thread lately and hadn't realized that it had gone well beyond Buckets,(it's a bit hard for me to follow it properly, not being in touch with the racing scene anymore).

I'm just trying to concentrate on learning basic foundry stuff so I have to try to keep focused on that.
Most other foundry forums are good, but are based overseas and this one seems to be the only Kiwi one where it's possible to contact people in person for practical help when learning the ropes, but that's not to say that I can't learn from all you overseas guys who participate in the thread - I hope that will continue.

However, I'm still at the lower end of things and need to stay firmly focused on getting the basics right, I haven't got the time as yet to study cutting edge stuff (or anything else), family matters are taking precedence at the moment.


These pics I tried to include before (haven't quite got to grips with pictures as yet).

BTW can anyone offer me some explanation of why the flame seems to be happening well down inside the burner tube (as you can see by the blueing on the outside) - It doesn't really matter though as it works well, but I'm just curious!

[Flettner]

Just what every boy want's at his ( or her ) back door, This should "stop the train".

[WilDun]

Just what every boy want's at his ( or her ) back door, This should "stop the train".

What is it at present, an irrigation pump?(guess), - is it likely to become a water brake? (another guess).

[Flettner]

What is it at present, an irrigation pump?(guess), - is it likely to become a water brake? (another guess).

It is a water brake dyno. Good for 400 HP I think, should be about right. Max RPM is 3000 so all applications need to be geared down.
I've used one like this before, nice to use and accurate, BUT it will need some work before it lives again. The heat exchanger is in the base, it will be buggered so I'll give it a bypass to an external heat exchanger like I did with the last one I used. The hydraulic torque piston is corroded up so I'm thinking perhaps a load cell might be the go? I've mounted it so the unit can be run from either end depending on the rotation of the engine being offered up. Also intend to build a pedistal to be able to back a motorbike up and mount it through the swing arm ( take the wheel out first ) with a secondary drive down ( or up ) to the center of the dyno. SO no wheel slip when my 400HP twostroke V6 needs to be tuned. Imagine the sound

I have many engines that are asking to be bolted up to this beast.

Edit, I might be wrong it might be Max 300 HP and 2500 Max RPM, there were more than one version of this size made.

[husaberg]

It is a water brake dyno. Good for 400 HP I think, should be about right. Max RPM is 3000 so all applications need to be geared down.
I've used one like this before, nice to use and accurate, BUT it will need some work before it lives again. The heat exchanger is in the base, it will be buggered so I'll give it a bypass to an external heat exchanger like I did with the last one I used. The hydraulic torque piston is corroded up so I'm thinking perhaps a load cell might be the go? I've mounted it so the unit can be run from either end depending on the rotation of the engine being offered up. Also intend to build a pedistal to be able to back a motorbike up and mount it through the swing arm ( take the wheel out first ) with a secondary drive down ( or up ) to the center of the dyno. SO no wheel slip when my 400HP twostroke V6 needs to be tuned. Imagine the sound

I have many engines that are asking to be bolted up to this beast.

Edit, I might be wrong it might be Max 300 HP and 2500 Max RPM, there were more than one version of this size made.

That thread that was posted today had a video of the 10000cc straight six it was not as cool as I expected (the sound not the build) The build is bloody neat,a V would be better sounding though. So make us one Neil I think the sidecars go to 1300cc

[WilDun]

It is a water brake dyno. Good for 400 HP I think,
I have many engines that are asking to be bolted up to this beast.
I might be wrong it might be Max 300 HP and 2500 Max RPM, there were more than one version of this size made.
No wheel slip when my 400HP twostroke V6 needs to be tuned. Imagine the sound.

Ah well, how wrong I was! - but at least I tried.

How long have you had that beast? and what would have been tested on it originally?

Can I have a ride on the V6? - what a way for me to bow out!! - need to hurry though!

[seattle smitty]

As an outsider I'm leery about making site suggestions, but maybe I could start a "2-stroke Miscellany" thread by posting the story behind this outboard. I guess the place to put this is in "Buckets," though again, that is a sub-section of the "Competition Riding" category, so it still would not be quite on-topic. Could a dedicated 2-stroke section be a good idea? Personally, I can follow the Original Topic threads as well as the digressions with no problem. But when I am the one digressing, I feel like I'm rudely interrupting the guys who are trying to have a conversation about foundry issues. And it does seem a little messy, I guess to the orderly Germanic half of my ancestry. We're all interested in both foundry and 2-stroke trivia, but how about we make a place for the latter? I've made similar digressions in TZ's mega-thread, which is more all-encompassing of odd 2-stroke tech, but still a separate thread might be better. Ideas?

[FastFred]

Smitty a separate thread is likely to get lost, post here or on the ESE thread. I know if its here TeeZee plans to link to it. These threads are interesting because they are about doing stuff.

[Grumph]

It is a water brake dyno. Good for 400 HP I think, should be about right. Max RPM is 3000 so all applications need to be geared down.
I've used one like this before, nice to use and accurate, BUT it will need some work before it lives again. The heat exchanger is in the base, it will be buggered so I'll give it a bypass to an external heat exchanger like I did with the last one I used. The hydraulic torque piston is corroded up so I'm thinking perhaps a load cell might be the go? I've mounted it so the unit can be run from either end depending on the rotation of the engine being offered up. Also intend to build a pedistal to be able to back a motorbike up and mount it through the swing arm ( take the wheel out first ) with a secondary drive down ( or up ) to the center of the dyno. SO no wheel slip when my 400HP twostroke V6 needs to be tuned. Imagine the sound

I have many engines that are asking to be bolted up to this beast.

Edit, I might be wrong it might be Max 300 HP and 2500 Max RPM, there were more than one version of this size made.

It looks like a small/medium Heenan and froude brake. Where did it come from ? If from a Uni, It's probably the same as canty had and John Britten used as i heard 2 or 3 came in at the same time. load cell would be a good upgrade - with the possibilty of being able with computer control, to do a programmed run holding at stepped rpm. The Dynapak 2000 car dynos are brilliant in the you can specify rpm steps and how long it holds at each. very quick and accurate curve.

[Yow Ling]

data mite mini usb is great, I think it can be set up with inertia , water , or eddycurrent dynos, cheap and same as GPR and I have

Good support

http://performancetrends.com/dtm-hdwe.htm

Doesn't matter how clever you are you cant do all this for the price

[Yow Ling]

As an outsider I'm leery about making site suggestions, but maybe I could start a "2-stroke Miscellany" thread by posting the story behind this outboard. I guess the place to put this is in "Buckets," though again, that is a sub-section of the "Competition Riding" category, so it still would not be quite on-topic. Could a dedicated 2-stroke section be a good idea? Personally, I can follow the Original Topic threads as well as the digressions with no problem. But when I am the one digressing, I feel like I'm rudely interrupting the guys who are trying to have a conversation about foundry issues. And it does seem a little messy, I guess to the orderly Germanic half of my ancestry. We're all interested in both foundry and 2-stroke trivia, but how about we make a place for the latter? I've made similar digressions in TZ's mega-thread, which is more all-encompassing of odd 2-stroke tech, but still a separate thread might be better. Ideas?

Post it here, the less threads I have to read the better

[WilDun]

Smitty,
I think that the thread is all about two strokes anyway and Yow Ling (probably all of us) is very happy to see your stuff here.
I came on here just to find some direction for a home foundry and have certainly found that, the bonus here is that it also involves bikes and a lot of the people involved live close by.
My involvement with motorcycles really ended years ago, but I'm still very interested in two strokes (and even the odd four stroke for that matter).
I also feel that both subjects can easily work side by side here and I wouldn't want you to think that I am at all anti, although I would not like to see the 'foundry' theme disappear completely, as I have learnt a lot on that subject here.
This is a very good forum and compared to many others, it is more or less self moderating. - so if any of you guys see me step out of line with my comments just tell me, so I know where I stand - better than muttering on!

[Flettner]

Well well, it seems we have a problem. It appears Heat Ranger have ordered the wrong direction engine. How could that happen!
Anyway no problem I say to them, lucky it's a twostroke as we can set the engine up to run in reverse. Just different direction starter ( readily available ) turn the one way starter clutch over, new reverse water pump. And shift the timing. Lucky the new dyno can have the engine set up from either end. Unbelievable!