Tax cuts explained?

**bane** · 27th August 2005, 18:03

Originally Posted by alarumba

I can tell it's right wing propaganda, but somehow I agree with it

no alarumba!... think of Finland

**Indiana_Jones** · 27th August 2005, 18:12

lol Thank you for bring this up. Some people go "oh it's a cut for the rich"......I'm like, ummmm but they pay more tax and they earn more, so it's in preportion? :spudwhat:

-Indy

**Coyote** · 27th August 2005, 18:26

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

lol Thank you for bring this up. Some people go "oh it's a cut for the rich"......I'm like, ummmm but they pay more tax and they earn more, so it's in preportion? :spudwhat:

-Indy

This is what I thought, I'm scared

**riffer** · 27th August 2005, 22:10

Originally Posted by alarumba

This is what I thought, I'm scared

Don't be scared.

It's quite simple. Work hard - play hard.

You'll always get more out of life by putting in the extra effort, rather than waiting for it to fall in your lap.

The tax cuts are an incentive to put the extra effort in. Rather than what we have at the moment which is a system that penalises those that try to get ahead by working harder (or longer) than the average person.

**Skyryder** · 27th August 2005, 23:29

This is on another thread here somewhere. It's all bullshit. If you are gullible enough to believe it then you deserve Brash and all that he stands for.

Skyryder

**James Deuce** · 27th August 2005, 23:50

Originally Posted by Skyryder

This is on another thread here somewhere. It's all bullshit. If you are gullible enough to believe it then you deserve Brash and all that he stands for.

Skyryder

If Labour get in, I'll be quitting my "high" paying job for one that grosses $35k so I can have more money in my hand. 3 Kids? Check. Working for Families Policy that drops all tax for Families with 3 or more kids earning less than $35k? Check.

Why bother working hard, when by getting a job in a gas station and doing the minimum I can maintain my current standard of living?

An extra $60 a week will help make up the difference in the price of petrol increases for commuting. Helen isn't offering that.

OTOH it's all just political rhetoric and nothing will change post-election, except that it will be still harder to be a single income, Pakeha family with bills. That is the only result of any election that I've been party to for the last 20 years that has consistently occurred. All taxation will stay at it's current level, except GST will go up to 15% to cover the shortfall in the various petrol levies, as people start using alternative and more efficient (read more time consuming, reducing the amount of time you spend with your family) forms of transport for commuting.

Labour lost my vote when they introduced "free" health care for under 6's. Yeah Right. I've never, ever not had to pay for a Doctor's visit, a perscription, and don't get me started on the $60 After Hours make you pay now that you get thrown out of Emergency with deathly sick children. Labour lied. Plain and simple.

**Skyryder** · 28th August 2005, 00:43

Originally Posted by Jim2

If Labour get in, I'll be quitting my "high" paying job for one that grosses $35k so I can have more money in my hand. 3 Kids? Check. Working for Families Policy that drops all tax for Families with 3 or more kids earning less than $35k? Check.

Why bother working hard, when by getting a job in a gas station and doing the minimum I can maintain my current standard of living?

An extra $60 a week will help make up the difference in the price of petrol increases for commuting. Helen isn't offering that.

OTOH it's all just political rhetoric and nothing will change post-election, except that it will be still harder to be a single income, Pakeha family with bills. That is the only result of any election that I've been party to for the last 20 years that has consistently occurred. All taxation will stay at it's current level, except GST will go up to 15% to cover the shortfall in the various petrol levies, as people start using alternative and more efficient (read more time consuming, reducing the amount of time you spend with your family) forms of transport for commuting.

Labour lost my vote when they introduced "free" health care for under 6's. Yeah Right. I've never, ever not had to pay for a Doctor's visit, a perscription, and don't get me started on the $60 After Hours make you pay now that you get thrown out of Emergency with deathly sick children. Labour lied. Plain and simple.

Better start looking for a new job. And if the Nats get in consider your lucky if you keep the one you've got.

Skyryder

**James Deuce** · 28th August 2005, 01:09

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Better start looking for a new job. And if the Nats get in consider your lucky if you keep the one you've got.

Skyryder

There's no "luck" in keeping my job. It's simple supply and demand. If people don't want the company's services, I'll lose my job. If the company don't want my services I'll lose my job.

You are of course assuming you know how I vote too. You dodged the issue too. How does your conscience feel about publicly supporting a party that lies overtly and unapologetically?

**thehollowmen** · 28th August 2005, 01:45

Originally Posted by Skyryder

This is on another thread here somewhere. It's all bullshit. If you are gullible enough to believe it then you deserve Brash and all that he stands for.

Skyryder

That's not bullshit.
I'm not elegible for any handouts because I have earnt too much over the last few before uni.

I got put on a med that was $280 per week, and had I earnt less I could have got it subsidised to the cost of a prescription.

So I emptied two five grand savings accounts that I'd saved up towards a house. I took up a part time job. I can't get a house now, just can't afford it.

Thank god I'm not on it now. I just couldn't afford it and couldn't get it filled. And I got very sick and hospitalised and that's another story.

And I'm not going to forget that.

I'm looking at going overseas because soon my pay for my new job (in any place in NZ) is gonna be $40K+. And probably a lot more overseas.

Quite bluntly, I'm not happy that I have to spend three times what I was paying in rent on meds because somebody in a govt department thinks I earn to much because I worked hard, where my flatmate if they had the same problem would get it for pennies.

PS I think brash is an arsehole. I've met him, and I'm also I'm a bit left wing. But I prefer the 'hand up rather than a hand out' approach, and that means testing should be involved...

**SPman** · 28th August 2005, 02:00

Originally Posted by Jim2

..........How does your conscience feel about publicly supporting a party that lies overtly and unapologetically?

Well, thats all the major parties dealt with!
Where to from here!

**James Deuce** · 28th August 2005, 07:24

Originally Posted by SP

Well, thats all the major parties dealt with!
Where to from here!

Bring back McGillicuddy Serious!

**Sniper** · 28th August 2005, 08:58

Im still confused

**thehollowmen** · 28th August 2005, 10:46

Originally Posted by Sniper

Im still confused

oks..

For someone earning 36K with three kids, they pay lots more and get less in the pocket than someone earning 34K if they've got three kids.

People say 'oh this tax cut means if you earn over 100K you'll have an extra $2400 (but you might pay 33 cents in the dollar earnt to tax), but if you earn 10K you'll only get $240 and (you pay 25 c per dollar so less in tax too) oh so it is advantaging the rich ..."

what.. so people are complaining they want is if I earnt 10K I'd be entitled to an extra $2400 per year if tax cuts went through? Would I still be entitled to that $2400 if I earnt nothing?

O_o

Anyways I've just been told that nats are wanting to increase national debt by two billion doing this...

What has the extra tax money on petrol been going to. that 5c a litre was for 5 billion towards auckland roads, but it has gone up another 10 cents in tax because it is a proportion of the petrol cost.. so.. uh.. Where has the other 10 billion gone?