Who here is doing the MGTOW thing?

[Virago]

Why the fuck do I need some fucking judge to tell me what right for my kids?
Men have every right to be fucking angry,
Men make the babies not women.

Dude. Get some help. Seriously, get some help.

[yokel]

[TheDemonLord]

Oh God!

I'm in a thread agreeing (partially) with Yokel!

but I don't have time for a full debate so I will be brief:

I don't subscribe to MGTOW, or MRM or MRA myself.

Mainly because I find that while they raise good points, they are also guilty of letting Ideology cloud decisions.

To state my position would be this:

If we look at history - there have been a number of both Laws and societal conventions put into place - some with noble intention, others with the sole agenda of maintaning an inequitable status quo.

Then came first wave feminism (the Suffrage movement) and women got the vote - Awesome!

Then came second wave feminism (the birth of Feminism/Womens Lib) and women got equal pay, the right to work etc. - Awesome!

Then we have third wave feminism (Tumblr Feminism) and this is where it gets a little interesting - we have a group of people who firmly believe that women (particularly in the western world) are still actively oppressed by an overarching organization known as the Patriarchy.

So finally we have groups of men that look at all the changes that happened during womens Lib, and go 'Cool, so if Women are now Equal to men (and rightly so) what about all these areas where women historically receive preferential treatment either in the legal system or in a societal system, the system now needs to address these issues as well'

[yokel]

shit Banditbandit I didnt realise you are actually David Cunliffe?

[yokel]

Oh God!

I'm in a thread agreeing (partially) with Yokel!

but I don't have time for a full debate so I will be brief:

I don't subscribe to MGTOW, or MRM or MRA myself.

Mainly because I find that while they raise good points, they are also guilty of letting Ideology cloud decisions.

To state my position would be this:

If we look at history - there have been a number of both Laws and societal conventions put into place - some with noble intention, others with the sole agenda of maintaning an inequitable status quo.

Then came first wave feminism (the Suffrage movement) and women got the vote - Awesome!

Then came second wave feminism (the birth of Feminism/Womens Lib) and women got equal pay, the right to work etc. - Awesome!

Then we have third wave feminism (Tumblr Feminism) and this is where it gets a little interesting - we have a group of people who firmly believe that women (particularly in the western world) are still actively oppressed by an overarching organization known as the Patriarchy.

So finally we have groups of men that look at all the changes that happened during womens Lib, and go 'Cool, so if Women are now Equal to men (and rightly so) what about all these areas where women historically receive preferential treatment either in the legal system or in a societal system, the system now needs to address these issues as well'

womens lib, from the home to the work place, what a awesome idea?
now women complain about the "man drought" ladies, you are now the man.

Feminism is a fucking scam, from the right to vote to now.

one thing is for sure people cant stand to hear a man complaining, seems to be part of our social conditioning.

[schrodingers cat]

one thing is for sure people cant stand to hear a man complaining, seems to be part of our social conditioning.

Rather like Unstuck I'm struggling to identify a MAN complaining, just some moron with anger issues and a big fuck off chip.

PS - I'm sure I'm not your type but I don't want to suck your cock either ( although I'm not sure what your sexuality has to do with it )

[rgvsmoker]

I disagree - a decent woman wouldn't do that. My sister didn't do it in her divorce, neither did my girlfriend. 50/50 custody. Choose your partner carefully.

Well advised caution. But it's chance - they might or might not abuse the system. ie. She might not have known any better. Maybe the court didn’t get involved and she didn’t have a lawyer to tell her how to use (abuse) the system in the routine way.

With the net and people waking up to how the world really works you can't rely on ignorance for long. For men we get shut up by today’s widespread feminist mentality even for speaking about our rights... that keeps us fairly ignorant (as seen here) until we manage to find out what's happening.

When Florida passed a law for all cases to be 50/50 custody splits the feminists threw a hissy fit and got it thrown out because it threatened the $$ gravy train. That’s where we are today.

But some are fighting for a fairer system - here's a very sad case where one guy is doing it from the grave (suicide note) -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYwrJHxfWgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meOY...id=6IgqYJwWzOQ

(And these are the misguided feminists who enable this further to all the rights they've already won -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRWff4gCwTw&t=0m41s )

[ellipsis]

Oh God!

I'm in a thread agreeing (partially) with Yokel!

but I don't have time for a full debate so I will be brief:

I don't subscribe to MGTOW, or MRM or MRA myself.

Mainly because I find that while they raise good points, they are also guilty of letting Ideology cloud decisions.

To state my position would be this:

If we look at history - there have been a number of both Laws and societal conventions put into place - some with noble intention, others with the sole agenda of maintaning an inequitable status quo.

Then came first wave feminism (the Suffrage movement) and women got the vote - Awesome!

Then came second wave feminism (the birth of Feminism/Womens Lib) and women got equal pay, the right to work etc. - Awesome!

Then we have third wave feminism (Tumblr Feminism) and this is where it gets a little interesting - we have a group of people who firmly believe that women (particularly in the western world) are still actively oppressed by an overarching organization known as the Patriarchy.

So finally we have groups of men that look at all the changes that happened during womens Lib, and go 'Cool, so if Women are now Equal to men (and rightly so) what about all these areas where women historically receive preferential treatment either in the legal system or in a societal system, the system now needs to address these issues as well'

...if cunts don't agree with me on basic conditions they are wankers that I will expunge from my horizon...or take them fishing...you would probably just get ten points out of nine...

[rgvsmoker]

Bullshit - prove you are a better parent and you'll get the kids ... with all the anger thrown around by men at the time of a breakup it's easy to see why the courts give the children to the mother - the display of anger does make it harder to prove the father is the better parent.

Suicide is never a rational reaction ... are you seriously suggesting that children should be raised by parents who are unbalanced enough to consider suicide a rational decision ??? You have to be kidding me ..

"The display of anger does make it harder to prove the father is the better parent."
Wow, this is exactly the stereotyping of your fellow brother that gets them screwed over in the first place. It's endemic in our society. (It is called misandry.) Don't believe it? Spare some time and learn brother - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqpmEnR_u1c

"Suicide is never a rational reaction"
Judge the above case (my last post) for yourself. If you have a system that is able to completely grind you down at the whims of your ex-wife who can also bankrupt you, it's debatable whether life is still worth living. He made his (rational?) choice. Put yourself in his shoes and judge if you like mate.

"Bullshit - prove you are a better parent and you'll get the kids ..."
Doesn't work that way I'm afraid. The above (suicide) case and stories like Glen Poole's seem to be the tip of the iceberg.

[bogan]

what about all these areas where women historically receive preferential treatment either in the legal system or in a societal system, the system now needs to address these issues as well'

Yeh, where's my maternity leave!

[Bikemad]

what a load of PC nonsense, the role of the "family" court is to destroy the family unit and to flush the cash from men to keep the economy rolling, has fuck all to do with protecting children.

violence doesn't come from anger, it comes from frustration.
there's absolutely nothing wrong with getting angry, a man not being able to express anger can lead to things like suicide and depression or just being a emasculated placid dumb dumb.

who bakes the cake? the baker or the oven?

babies are made from a man's intention and decision to have sex, not a couple or village. this is why men are ultimately held responsible.

what's this shit about children not being owned by fathers? why pay something like child support that according to you is not yours?





who said anything about goats? that could be fun you know



no it's not, it's called the father son and holy spirit.

is that you Ed............

[jonbuoy]

Yeh, where's my maternity leave!

Scandinavian system seems to be the fairest. Both parents are entitled to maternity leave. I really don´t think Yokel has too much to worry about - the chances of a female wanting to pro-create with him are pretty slim.

[TheDemonLord]

Yeh, where's my maternity leave!

Well, it would be Paternity leave in NZ - but yes, that is one area.

I'm not going to respond directly to Yokel - he is the reason I cannot support directly any of the movements as there is a group who are active who still cling to 1950's family values (which IMO is wrong)

But yes, there are areas where women still get a rough deal, there are areas where men have always got a rough deal (mainly because they got a sweet deal in other areas) it is now time to address those areas so that both men and women can enjoy true equality

[Tazz]

[Oblivion]

Wheres the I dont give a fuck button? I was told that it would be around here somewhere?

Honestly. If you don't like the compromise that you have to deal with as part of being in a relationship, then honestly get out of them. Because you can go through multiple women, but the only recurring factor is you.

Better yet find one that doesn't mind that you eat like shit and drink piss