Who here is doing the MGTOW thing?

[Banditbandit]

shit Banditbandit I didnt realise you are actually David Cunliffe?

WTF ??? You are a complete fool aren't you ...

When Florida passed a law for all cases to be 50/50 custody splits the feminists threw a hissy fit and got it thrown out because it threatened the $$ gravy train. That’s where we are today.

Florida ?? WTF ?? Godzone has had such a law for a very long time .. what the fuck has Florida got to do with us???

But some are fighting for a fairer system - here's a very sad case where one guy is doing it from the grave (suicide note) -

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(And these are the misguided feminists who enable this further to all the rights they've already won -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRWff4gCwTw&t=0m41s )

Why are you citing overseas issues??/ Not been like that here for a long time ..

"The display of anger does make it harder to prove the father is the better parent."
Wow, this is exactly the stereotyping of your fellow brother that gets them screwed over in the first place. It's endemic in our society. (It is called misandry.) Don't believe it? Spare some time and learn brother - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqpmEnR_u1c

Yeah .. good examples of angry men who demonstrate why they might not make good parents.

["Suicide is never a rational reaction"
Judge the above case (my last post) for yourself. If you have a system that is able to completely grind you down at the whims of your ex-wife who can also bankrupt you, it's debatable whether life is still worth living. He made his (rational?) choice. Put yourself in his shoes and judge if you like mate.

Again - not relevant to Godzone .. women can't bankrupt men here through divorce settlements .. its a 50/50 split here ...

Are you seriously suggesting that suicide is a rational decision??? (I'd be taking my lithium more regulalry if I was you . )

"Bullshit - prove you are a better parent and you'll get the kids ..."
Doesn't work that way I'm afraid. The above (suicide) case and stories like Glen Poole's seem to be the tip of the iceberg.

Life happens .. get over yourselves ... (and you are using overseas examples .. not relevant in Godzone ...)

[rgvsmoker]

Florida ?? WTF ?? Godzone has had such a law for a very long time .. what the fuck has Florida got to do with us???

Wrong. Show me that law matey.
http://www.jeremysutton.co.nz/uncate...ights-faqs/#d1 50/50 custody and exclusion of the possibility of having to pay for 1-2 decades after divorce is *not* enshrined in our laws. (Neither are cases of false accusations, obviously.) I've seen it myself.

Why are you citing overseas issues??/ Not been like that here for a long time ..

Really? You talk a lot of rubbish without backing it up mate. And you obviously read my piece and didn't bother to look into the guy's case further. The same thing could happen here. All dependent on family court. You don't want to be involved in that shit.

You'd be a fool to have blind faith in our (or their) legal system, especially where family court and rabid feminists hold sway. Just look at university campuses when men's rights people try to speak up. Again, things may be worse overseas (more extreme cases), but that doesn't mean men & fathers don't go through similar issues here. In Godzone.

Quote Originally Posted by rgvsmoker
"The display of anger does make it harder to prove the father is the better parent."
Wow, this is exactly the stereotyping of your fellow brother that gets them screwed over in the first place. It's endemic in our society. (It is called misandry.) Don't believe it? Spare some time and learn brother - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqpmEnR_u1c

Yeah .. good examples of angry men who demonstrate why they might not make good parents.

Sure we don't disagree with that - if it the guys is out of control for no good reason. But again, you ignored the point I made and decided to repeat the bullshit the last guy said. Real smart mate.

[Banditbandit]

Wrong. Show me that law matey.

Division of relationship property
(1)On the division of relationship property under this Act, each of the spouses or partners is entitled to share equally in—
(a)the family home; and
(b)the family chattels; and
(c)any other relationship property.
(2)This section is subject to the other provisions of this Part.

Part 4, section 11 of the Property (Relationships) Act 1976

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/p...resel_25_h&p=1

[rgvsmoker]

Part 4, section 11 of the Property (Relationships) Act 1976

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/p...resel_25_h&p=1

Haha, you believe the RPA 1976 applies to children (as property? lol) and supersedes the family court?? cough-fool-cough.

Again, didn't bother to read my link:

Does a father have 50/50 rights to custody of his children?
No. The law does not specify how much time children should spend with each parent and there is no rule as to 50/50 sharing of custody.

Come on man, do I have to spell it all out?

[rgvsmoker]

The 50/50 split is dead for families. If RPA (1976) meant 50/50 applies to everything, then these would no longer exist:

spousal maintenance, child support and lump sum judgments (not 50/50) at divorce/family courts...

They do.

And that, my friend, is why the Florida 50/50 law was so damn important to those feminists / misandrists.

[Banditbandit]

Haha, you believe the RPA 1976 applies to children (as property? lol) and supersedes the family court?? cough-fool-cough.

Again, didn't bother to read my link:

Does a father have 50/50 rights to custody of his children?
No. The law does not specify how much time children should spend with each parent and there is no rule as to 50/50 sharing of custody.

Come on man, do I have to spell it all out?

The original discussion that I supplied the law for was about the division of property - not who gets the kids ... can't you even maintain your side of an argument? Coherency would help your cause quite a bit ...

No, I do not think that the law gives 50/50 custody to the children. The children go to the person the courts think will be the better parent. And often the other party gets visiting rights etc ... specified in each case.

I'm not the courts, and I don't always think the courts get it right - sometimes they get it terribly wrong. But we don't get to sit in the family court, we don't get all the information the judge sees even if we do sit in court - so I won't second-guess the judges.

[rgvsmoker]

Ok mate, fair points. But I made it pretty clear it's not just about custody. It's about a $$ transfer that is generally unfair - this is the case whether you have kids or not. When you do it is much worse - women get a far easier deal at a man's (and the state's) expense.

That's one reason why 70% of divorces are initiated by females.

Even where RPA 1976 is applied, it doesn't result in judgments consistent with that law: ie. 50% of houses and bank accounts solely earned eg. by the man (pre-relationship) often get deemed 50% hers (due to $ mingling and cohabitation). That's not fair (ie. it's not what that law states) but it still happens a lot. So be careful with that.

So my point is, if things were fairer men would be more keen to assume the role we mostly aspire to - husbands / fathers. Heck, I do. But when the system is unfair, fewer men fall for this trap -

Case in point:

The 50/50 split is dead for families. If RPA (1976) meant 50/50 applies to everything, then these would no longer exist:

spousal maintenance, child support and lump sum judgments (not 50/50) at divorce/family courts...

They do.

And that, my friend, is why the Florida 50/50 law was so damn important to those feminists.

And it's not a stretch at all to say men are manipulated into accepting this and staying silent about it. The fact you think things are fair as is - that's part of the problem mate.

[Banditbandit]

Ok mate, fair points. But I made it pretty clear it's not just about custody. It's about a $$ transfer that is generally unfair - this is the case whether you have kids or not. When you do it is much worse - women get a far easier deal at a man's (and the state's) expense.

That's one reason why 70% of divorces are initiated by females.

Video chopped ...

Even where RPA 1976 is applied, it doesn't result in judgments consistent with that law: ie. 50% of houses and bank accounts solely earned eg. by the man (pre-relationship) often get deemed 50% hers (due to $ mingling and cohabitation). That's not fair (ie. it's not what that law states) but it still happens a lot. So be careful with that.

So my point is, if things were fairer men would be more keen to assume the role we mostly aspire to - husbands / fathers. Heck, I do. But when the system is unfair, fewer men fall for this trap -

Case in point:


And it's not a stretch at all to say men are manipulated into accepting this and staying silent about it. The fact you think things are fair as is - that's part of the problem mate.

OK - I do get all that - I do understand what you are saying. I don't agree. let me think about this and I will reply ... possibly tomorrow ..

[TheDemonLord]

Bandit -

You don't have to join the MGTOW/MRA/MRM or completely agree with people like Yokel, but here are a few other things where there is disparity in favour of women.

Domestic Abuse - There are far, far, far more Battered women shelters than Battered men shelters, and yet Domestic abuse in heterosexual relationships is almost 50/50 (I think the actual figure is 55/45) surely if society was about true equality, the number of shelters would correlate with the % of abuse

Draft - not an Issue in NZ, but in other countries where there is a Draft, Women are exempt, Men aren't - when was the last time you heard about women fighting for the right to be forced to combat?

Women-only scholarships - I have no problem per se with them - so long as there is an equal number of Men only scholarships (which don't exist, and if they did there would be a furor)

Women only positions in companies/Mandates for a minimum percentage of women in certain roles - Let those that are most qualified be appointed to higher positions - regardless of whether they are Male or Female. If a women only gains access to a position solely to fill a quota or by her gender, then isn't this just another form of sex discrimination?

these are but a few.

I will restate I am all for equality, but I mean equality, not just improvements to areas where people get a bad deal, but reductions in areas where they get a sweet deal

[rustyrobot]

Domestic Abuse - There are far, far, far more Battered women shelters than Battered men shelters, and yet Domestic abuse in heterosexual relationships is almost 50/50 (I think the actual figure is 55/45) surely if society was about true equality, the number of shelters would correlate with the % of abuse

Got any more statistics you want to make up? There is a woman killed by her partner every 6 weeks in New Zealand. I think the average is 2 men per year. It is clear that there is domestic violence against both males and females in this country the viciousness and severity of violence towards women is far higher than towards men.

Women set up those shelters themselves because they needed protection from men, if you really think there is a need for shelters for men, then get about setting some up. I'll support you - don't just harp on about how unfair and unbalanced the world is.

Draft - not an Issue in NZ, but in other countries where there is a Draft, Women are exempt, Men aren't - when was the last time you heard about women fighting for the right to be forced to combat?

When was the last time you heard about men fighting for the right to be forced in to combat? Women serve in the Israeli military.

Women-only scholarships - I have no problem per se with them - so long as there is an equal number of Men only scholarships (which don't exist, and if they did there would be a furor)

Glad to see this concerns you so much, pity no men ever mentioned it when women weren't allowed in Universities or able to attain higher education. I understand that you are too busy feeling sorry for yourself, but you need to look at the big picture my friend - like the last 5,000 years or so.

Women only positions in companies/Mandates for a minimum percentage of women in certain roles - Let those that are most qualified be appointed to higher positions - regardless of whether they are Male or Female. If a women only gains access to a position solely to fill a quota or by her gender, then isn't this just another form of sex discrimination?

It's about redressing a balance again. I can tell this isn't going to go anywhere, but I'll try anyway. Given that men have assumed and controlled 99.99% of the positions of power over the last few thousand years, it feel pretty fair to give women a go. If that means forcing a few of the men who clutch at that position to step aside - so be it.

I don't get what you are so afraid of anyway - if you're such a corporate go-getter you'll still have a chance to climb to the top of the 50% of spots left. Your directorship is not at threat.

these are but a few.

I will restate I am all for equality, but I mean equality, not just improvements to areas where people get a bad deal, but reductions in areas where they get a sweet deal

And I will say that equality doesn't mean sameness, and it also doesn't come about just because you say "I believe in equality". I understand that there are some men who have grievances, but this Men Going Their Own Way thing - apart from sounding like a gay camping trip, mostly appears like spoilt men who are used to getting everything their own way, and can't handle sharing.

[unstuck]

but this Men Going Their Own Way thing - apart from sounding like a gay camping trip, mostly appears like spoilt men who are used to getting everything their own way, and can't handle sharing.

[yokel]

Bandit -

You don't have to join the MGTOW/MRA/MRM or completely agree with people like Yokel, but here are a few other things where there is disparity in favour of women.

Domestic Abuse - There are far, far, far more Battered women shelters than Battered men shelters, and yet Domestic abuse in heterosexual relationships is almost 50/50 (I think the actual figure is 55/45) surely if society was about true equality, the number of shelters would correlate with the % of abuse

Draft - not an Issue in NZ, but in other countries where there is a Draft, Women are exempt, Men aren't - when was the last time you heard about women fighting for the right to be forced to combat?

Women-only scholarships - I have no problem per se with them - so long as there is an equal number of Men only scholarships (which don't exist, and if they did there would be a furor)

Women only positions in companies/Mandates for a minimum percentage of women in certain roles - Let those that are most qualified be appointed to higher positions - regardless of whether they are Male or Female. If a women only gains access to a position solely to fill a quota or by her gender, then isn't this just another form of sex discrimination?

these are but a few.

I will restate I am all for equality, but I mean equality, not just improvements to areas where people get a bad deal, but reductions in areas where they get a sweet deal

"people like Yokel" haha funny

feminist complain about negative stereotypes about women like being weak and emotional nut jobs that get knock up, yet complain about rape culture and say all men are rapists.

the world has trued into a hypocritical double stranded mess.

the MGTOW thing is sad, there are plenty of dudes I know that want fuck all to do with women or are angry individuals. I prefer this instead.

http://youtu.be/HAIyhfHt188

http://youtu.be/0tLnWDuZflc

[haydes55]

I'm white, I'm male, I'm able bodied.

Everything I say is racist, sexist, fascist or discriminatory.

When I am discriminated against, whenever I am a victim of racism or sexism, I have no avenue of recourse, no one in my corner, no government department, no minister for my affairs.

Not having a winge, just saying.... Everyone gets their own bit of preferential treatment, unless you're a white male with an able body and a minimum wage or above income.

[yokel]

I'm white, I'm male, I'm able bodied.

Everything I say is racist, sexist, fascist or discriminatory.

When I am discriminated against, whenever I am a victim of racism or sexism, I have no avenue of recourse, no one in my corner, no government department, no minister for my affairs.

Not having a winge, just saying.... Everyone gets their own bit of preferential treatment, unless you're a white male with an able body and a minimum wage or above income.

you forgot to add being straight (assuming)

[rustyrobot]

Everyone gets their own bit of preferential treatment, unless you're a white male with an able body and a minimum wage or above income.

I know right... it's MADNESS. Just show me ONE single multi-national corporation, religious group, government or military which has an able bodied white man of above average income in power. JUST ONE. It's just not damn fair

/sarcasm


* also applies to serial killers