Where to buy shit that ISN'T made in China.

**Tazz** · 26th December 2013, 17:28

Well, I could wank on about this sort of thing for hours (from a manufacturers and consumers point of view) but bugger it, I'm not going to fix anything so fark it XD

Do you realllly need a body board bro? Could you not just use a chilly bin lid or body surf?

Originally Posted by slofox

That's why I started this thread, Tazz - because I couldn't find a way to do that with the earplug deal.

Eh? Think you have the wrong thread man. Earplugs? There are NZ made ones I believe.

**Tazz** · 26th December 2013, 17:30

Originally Posted by mashman

So NZers must pay their minions much betterer, in which case they should be able to afford to buy shit that Unzud makes surely?

Are you being sarcastic or not there?

Min wage is already to high here. That's part of the problem. Min wage goes up....EVERYTHING goes up. And who becomes the worst off from it? Min wage earners

**Zedder** · 26th December 2013, 17:51

Originally Posted by mashman

So NZers must pay their minions much betterer, in which case they should be able to afford to buy shit that Unzud makes surely?

The range of products made here is diminishing and NZ would have to get rid of the Trade Agreements with Oz, China, USA, Chile, Brunei, Singapore etc not to mention John Key...

**Akzle** · 26th December 2013, 18:37

Originally Posted by hayd3n

my friend makes surf boards, im sure he could make a body board

ask him eh. Im fkn keen.

**AllanB** · 26th December 2013, 18:42

Meh - global market now.

Bet the electronic device you started this thread on is made in or at least full of Chinese made parts. Best you not post anymore - they may be tracking you ........

**geoffc** · 26th December 2013, 19:21

Closing Hillside in Dunedin that made decent railway wagons etc because the Govt effectively encouraged buying Chinese running stock. Slightly cheaper but shite. NZ skilled jobs lost. Couldn't believe their shortsightedness.

**Akzle** · 26th December 2013, 19:22

Originally Posted by Zedder

The range of products made here is diminishing and NZ would have to get rid of the Trade Agreements with Oz, China, USA, Chile, Brunei, Singapore etc not to mention John Key...

i dont see the problem...

**mashman** · 26th December 2013, 19:48

Originally Posted by Tazz

Are you being sarcastic or not there?

Min wage is already to high here. That's part of the problem. Min wage goes up....EVERYTHING goes up. And who becomes the worst off from it? Min wage earners

Just for a change, let's leave it up to reader's choice

That's just silly talk... are you being sarcastic

Originally Posted by Zedder

The range of products made here is diminishing and NZ would have to get rid of the Trade Agreements with Oz, China, USA, Chile, Brunei, Singapore etc not to mention John Key...

Fortunately we can't eat a lot of those products we don't make here... as for key, I don't eat dick.

**James Deuce** · 26th December 2013, 20:01

Originally Posted by Motu

After WWII when this country was strapped for cash after spending money defending other parts of the world, to save money, or stacking up more debt buying stuff from overseas, New Zealand industrialised. Tariffs were put on anything we couldn't make here, and so that's what we did, shut ourselves off and made everything in NZ. It was almost socialism, there was lack of choice and we had to buy NZ made. Everyone prospered - cities grew, roads were built, houses and factories were built, there were more jobs than people to fill them.

Some people may think those were horrible days, but we didn't know what we were missing, so it was ok at the time. Personally I don't desperately desire the latest stuff, and I'd be happy to go back to NZ made and jobs for all.

No, we were strapped for cash because we refused to sign the Canberra Pact of 1944 which involved handing crown territory over to the US at war's end. Wasn't ours to hand over. Australia initially supported our stance but bailed as soon as the US made it clear they would activate punitive clauses in Lend/Lease agreements. The US made us empty our treasury which contained about 2 million quid at the time for all the Lend/Lease stuff we'd acquired to support their cleanup operations in the Solomons Is. and withdrew logistics and medical support. Check out how many NZers died of dysentery and malaria in the Solomons in 1944 and 1945. 2 of my Great Uncles died of dysentery. US Seebees, predominantly African/American kept the Corsair and Ventura sqns operational by sneaking them fuel and spares, often "timed" parts which created their own problems. All engineering projects underway or being planned in NZ at the time by the US Army Corps of Engineers, like the Wainuiomata tunnel and Transmission Gulley, were cancelled or left incomplete.

It worked out for us in the long run though. The UK only finished their Lend/Lease payments a year or two ago. We got six decades to screw our economy up (repeatedly) on our own. There was a reason you couldn't take more than $400 cash overseas up until the early '80s. We didn't have any cash reserves. There was a reason you had to apply to buy a car that wasn't assembled locally. We couldn't let much cash go overseas, so vehicle imports needed to be worked into trade agreements. From the 1820s on, the US has had a net negative effect on the antecedents of pakeha and non-pakeha society alike. Contrary to popular opinion, the Musket and Blanket economy in NZ was not started by the British Empire.

I agree with the rest of your post though. Unlimited access to oodles of shit hasn't made us better people or a better society.

**pete376403** · 26th December 2013, 20:55

Originally Posted by James Deuce

No, we were strapped for cash because we refused to sign the Canberra Pact of 1944 which involved handing crown territory over to the US at war's end. Wasn't ours to hand over. Australia initially supported our stance but bailed as soon as the US made it clear they would activate punitive clauses in Lend/Lease agreements. The US made us empty our treasury which contained about 2 million quid at the time for all the Lend/Lease stuff we'd acquired to support their cleanup operations in the Solomons Is. and withdrew logistics and medical support. Check out how many NZers died of dysentery and malaria in the Solomons in 1944 and 1945. 2 of my Great Uncles died of dysentery. US Seebees, predominantly African/American kept the Corsair and Ventura sqns operational by sneaking them fuel and spares, often "timed" parts which created their own problems. All engineering projects underway or being planned in NZ at the time by the US Army Corps of Engineers, like the Wainuiomata tunnel and Transmission Gulley, were cancelled or left incomplete.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra_Pact suggests the Pact WAS signed by both Aust and NZ and this is what pissed off the US. Also suggests that the pact was about Aust/NZ management of the south pacific region rather than handing over to the US.
Do you have any references for further research?

**James Deuce** · 26th December 2013, 21:29

Originally Posted by pete376403

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra_Pact suggests the Pact WAS signed by both Aust and NZ and this is what pissed off the US. Also suggests that the pact was about Aust/NZ management of the south pacific region rather than handing over to the US.
Do you have any references for further research?

NZ was the only non-signatory. The Official RNZAF History documents it well. The RNZAF History released for the 50th Anniversary also has a chapter on it. That Wikipedia article is fiction. By the time NZ was forced to agree in pronciple our Treasury had been emptied. The Canberra pact demanded all NZ and Australian administered territories be handed over to the US at the war's end, demonstrating a complete lack of understanding on the part of the US as to who held legal title. Despite the US and Australia signing it, you'll note that territories the Solomons to Fiji remained in crown hands because the UK simply said, "I beg your pardon?", and maintained administrative oversight with an eye to independence.