Is there no F3 currently at Nats?

[Shaun Harris]

Indeed, (at the risk of again incurring Billys wrath) followed closely by a CBR500RR development class modelled on EJC500. Where chassis and suspension setup skills can be honed

sorry Robert But I disagree with that one. Once you have honed your skills on a 250, there is NO need to carry on with the basics of learning in a class that has NO CLASS to race in. So next step is 600z for the ones that want to move on and challenge the best in our country) where the suspension and chassis learning kicks in. One season running basically a std motor to keep costs down whilst getting the best out of chassis suspension rider, then next season motor electrics etc ( NOT A SEPERATE CLASS)

And many many Parents would not invest in there kids racing a 500 ( Way to scary for the parents) so it defeats the point of a development class really.

I will be racing NINJA 250 at Manfield for FUN FUN FUN, I have not told the owner of the bike yet, but I do not intend on taking any points in the races I will be in, I will pull over before the chequered flag so as not to muck up all the riders points situations for them.

And will be FULLY making myself availlable to any rider that may want some advice! ( If I have any to give of course haha)

Currently working on a plan to have 4 of these bikes next year to use as lease development bikes for riders wanting to start out, NOT FOR OLD MEN LIKE ME!

[budda]

sorry Robert But I disagree with that one. Once you have honed your skills on a 250, there is NO need to carry on with the basics of learning in a class that has NO CLASS to race in. So next step is 600z for the ones that want to move on and challenge the best in our country) where the suspension and chassis learning kicks in. One season running basically a std motor to keep costs down whilst getting the best out of chassis suspension rider, then next season motor electrics etc ( NOT A SEPERATE CLASS)

And many many Parents would not invest in there kids racing a 500 ( Way to scary for the parents) so it defeats the point of a development class really.

I will be racing NINJA 250 at Manfield for FUN FUN FUN, I have not told the owner of the bike yet, but I do not intend on taking any points in the races I will be in, I will pull over before the chequered flag so as not to muck up all the riders points situations for them.

And will be FULLY making myself availlable to any rider that may want some advice! ( If I have any to give of course haha)

Currently working on a plan to have 4 of these bikes next year to use as lease development bikes for riders wanting to start out, NOT FOR OLD MEN LIKE ME!

Agreed with you up til the last bit Gremlin ....... like it or not, the current generation see it as their RIGHT not to be TOLD anything !!!!!!!!!! But past experience in Streetstocks AND 250's has proven that when Old heads SHOW them on track, they are quick to pick up the lesson and apply it to their own riding ......

Just as in the old Clubman vs nationals racing argument ... the more times the fast guys pass you, the more chances you have of LEARNING from them ........

[Shaun Harris]

Agreed with you up til the last bit Gremlin ....... like it or not, the current generation see it as their RIGHT not to be TOLD anything !!!!!!!!!! But past experience in Streetstocks AND 250's has proven that when Old heads SHOW them on track, they are quick to pick up the lesson and apply it to their own riding ......

Just as in the old Clubman vs nationals racing argument ... the more times the fast guys pass you, the more chances you have of LEARNING from them ........

Current generation as a generalisation YES! But a keen young rider with family money backing, does what they are told to do or get told to fuck off home and mow the lawns again and again and again, or blody well should be any way.

Hey, what BRIDGESTONE is the best trye to use on the 250?

[budda]

Current generation as a generalisation YES! But a keen young rider with family money backing, does what they are told to do or get told to fuck off home and mow the lawns again and again and again, or blody well should be any way.

Hey, what BRIDGESTONE is the best trye to use on the 250?

AGREED

003RS are the go, great all rounders that last really well and stick right to the end of their life.
"Other" brands have suitable rubber too, but you know where my loyalty lies ........
Jay is driving that side of things, and doing a great job by all accounts. Putoline and Goldfren are also de-rigeur

Odds are your "victims" bike will already have 'em on ........

[Shaun Harris]

AGREED

003RS are the go, great all rounders that last really well and stick right to the end of their life.
"Other" brands have suitable rubber too, but you know where my loyalty lies ........
Jay is driving that side of things, and doing a great job by all accounts. Putoline and Goldfren are also de-rigeur

Odds are your "victims" bike will already have 'em on ........

I WILL be using BRIDGESTONE 4 Sure

[budda]

I WILL be using BRIDGESTONE 4 Sure

Well Done - Carry on ..........

[quickbuck]

, but I do not intend on taking any points in the races I will be in, I will pull over before the chequered flag so as not to muck up all the riders points situations for them.

Agree with much of what you are saying Shaun, but DO NOT be doing this bit... Besides you have to actually be up there to be able to pull over.
I have absolutely every intention of taking points of people who have completed the whole series..... If they aren't good enough to get past me (or you) then they clearly do not deserve the points... After all we all pay the same entry fee do we not?? That is Motorsport!

Also, loose the word Development I reckon. I hate it. Yes we are developing skills in young and not so young (but may well be not as experienced) racers, BUT I think the Class should be recognised as purely 250 Production, and that brand can stand up all by itself in ANY series!

Heck, the cagers don't call it the Suzuki Swift DEVELOPMENT Series do they?
Nor do they call the Racket 150 Class in Karts Development.....

But yeah, I reckon if there is a rider who wins 250 Production National Class here, there is no reason he can't go to Australia and compete with those boys.
After all the best rider gets the most out of a bike when they are all essentially the same......

[SWERVE]

So great to come onto KB and actually here the riders of 250 being praised for their efforts Instead of a "bitch fight" about whose bike is legal and whos isn't. Probebly because the people on hear can actually distinguish talent by watching a race............... rather than saying HP wins.
Riding bikes is like any other sport or anything requiring hard work / effort / understanding to achieve. I believe those that want it bad enough will shine through regardless of the class or pathway they take. Yes there are proven paths with regards to which bike you hop onto next to make the full use of the skills you already have.
But I believe the RIDER themselves plays the biggest part of all. They have to want to be the best......plain and simple. They also have to be prepared to forsake everything else to get to that goal. Those that LISTEN to what being told and are prepared to take that advice will progress fastest. People who know will spot those people a mile away. Jake has been prepared to do this and in doing so has gained the respect and further assistance of some very knowledgable people and sponsorship also. Those people can then guide them along that path with pride and confidence. Bailie is in the early stages of this. He has put in HUGE effort over the last 2 yrs........ listens to everything he is told (knows how to filter it) has gained sponsorship of his own back, trains everyday, has a strict diet, will ride anything that is given to him for extra tracktime, never packs a sad when it doesn't go his way..... eats/sleeps/lives racing. That is why he has surprised a few this year. He has amazing feel for what is happening to the bike beneath him for such an in-experienced rider. Although I have always said it is important to be able to give feedback it is a skill he has developed himself. His answer as to how he managed it " I train hard so im not tired, and most of all I just relax on the bike"
Yes im having a bit of a trumpet blowing session..... but I have reason too and last weekend was time to show everybody else............ its not a "one off" either....just wait until Levels and the other rounds.
Be great to have you out there Shaun
Have to say Pirelli all the way IMHO

[SWERVE]

Agree with much of what you are saying Shaun, but DO NOT be doing this bit... Besides you have to actually be up there to be able to pull over.
I have absolutely every intention of taking points of people who have completed the whole series..... If they aren't good enough to get past me (or you) then they clearly do not deserve the points... After all we all pay the same entry fee do we not?? That is Motorsport!

Also, loose the word Development I reckon. I hate it. Yes we are developing skills in young and not so young (but may well be not as experienced) racers, BUT I think the Class should be recognised as purely 250 Production, and that brand can stand up all by itself in ANY series!

Heck, the cagers don't call it the Suzuki Swift DEVELOPMENT Series do they?
Nor do they call the Racket 150 Class in Karts Development.....

But yeah, I reckon if there is a rider who wins 250 Production National Class here, there is no reason he can't go to Australia and compete with those boys.
After all the best rider gets the most out of a bike when they are all essentially the same......

It is called 250 PRODUCTION
And you will not be taking points from the leaders .....................................

[quickbuck]

It is called 250 PRODUCTION
And you will not be taking points from the leaders .....................................

EXACKERY on both points.... I wasn't asking for a name change

[budda]

So great to come onto KB and actually here the riders of 250 being praised for their efforts Instead of a "bitch fight" about whose bike is legal and whos isn't. Probebly because the people on hear can actually distinguish talent by watching a race............... rather than saying HP wins.
Riding bikes is like any other sport or anything requiring hard work / effort / understanding to achieve. I believe those that want it bad enough will shine through regardless of the class or pathway they take. Yes there are proven paths with regards to which bike you hop onto next to make the full use of the skills you already have.
But I believe the RIDER themselves plays the biggest part of all. They have to want to be the best......plain and simple. They also have to be prepared to forsake everything else to get to that goal. Those that LISTEN to what being told and are prepared to take that advice will progress fastest. People who know will spot those people a mile away. Jake has been prepared to do this and in doing so has gained the respect and further assistance of some very knowledgable people and sponsorship also. Those people can then guide them along that path with pride and confidence. Bailie is in the early stages of this. He has put in HUGE effort over the last 2 yrs........ listens to everything he is told (knows how to filter it) has gained sponsorship of his own back, trains everyday, has a strict diet, will ride anything that is given to him for extra tracktime, never packs a sad when it doesn't go his way..... eats/sleeps/lives racing. That is why he has surprised a few this year. He has amazing feel for what is happening to the bike beneath him for such an in-experienced rider. Although I have always said it is important to be able to give feedback it is a skill he has developed himself. His answer as to how he managed it " I train hard so im not tired, and most of all I just relax on the bike"
Yes im having a bit of a trumpet blowing session..... but I have reason too and last weekend was time to show everybody else............ its not a "one off" either....just wait until Levels and the other rounds.
Be great to have you out there Shaun
Have to say Pirelli all the way IMHO

Have to change your name to Louis(Armstrong) !!!!!!! Pooorelli, pah .......

[richban]

So great to come onto KB and actually here the riders of 250 being praised for their efforts Instead of a "bitch fight" about whose bike is legal and whos isn't. Probebly because the people on hear can actually distinguish talent by watching a race............... rather than saying HP wins.
Riding bikes is like any other sport or anything requiring hard work / effort / understanding to achieve. I believe those that want it bad enough will shine through regardless of the class or pathway they take. Yes there are proven paths with regards to which bike you hop onto next to make the full use of the skills you already have.
But I believe the RIDER themselves plays the biggest part of all. They have to want to be the best......plain and simple. They also have to be prepared to forsake everything else to get to that goal. Those that LISTEN to what being told and are prepared to take that advice will progress fastest. People who know will spot those people a mile away. Jake has been prepared to do this and in doing so has gained the respect and further assistance of some very knowledgable people and sponsorship also. Those people can then guide them along that path with pride and confidence. Bailie is in the early stages of this. He has put in HUGE effort over the last 2 yrs........ listens to everything he is told (knows how to filter it) has gained sponsorship of his own back, trains everyday, has a strict diet, will ride anything that is given to him for extra tracktime, never packs a sad when it doesn't go his way..... eats/sleeps/lives racing. That is why he has surprised a few this year. He has amazing feel for what is happening to the bike beneath him for such an in-experienced rider. Although I have always said it is important to be able to give feedback it is a skill he has developed himself. His answer as to how he managed it " I train hard so im not tired, and most of all I just relax on the bike"
Yes im having a bit of a trumpet blowing session..... but I have reason too and last weekend was time to show everybody else............ its not a "one off" either....just wait until Levels and the other rounds.
Be great to have you out there Shaun
Have to say Pirelli all the way IMHO

True words for sure. Well done to both you and Bailie. I really enjoyed the racing, the bits I got to see anyway. I will hopefully be there for the north island rounds in F3 on me new bike, if I can get it finished in time. I will be following the 250's closely for sure.

[quickbuck]

True words for sure. Well done to both you and Bailie. I really enjoyed the racing, the bits I got to see anyway. I will hopefully be there for the north island rounds in F3 on me new bike, if I can get it finished in time. I will be following the 250's closely for sure.

Good on you Rich.

[richban]

Good on you Rich.

Cheers Mate should be a blast. Now to the shed to rebuild some forks.

[Shaun Harris]

Agree with much of what you are saying Shaun, but DO NOT be doing this bit... Besides you have to actually be up there to be able to pull over.
I have absolutely every intention of taking points of people who have completed the whole series..... If they aren't good enough to get past me (or you) then they clearly do not deserve the points... After all we all pay the same entry fee do we not?? That is Motorsport!

Also, loose the word Development I reckon. I hate it. Yes we are developing skills in young and not so young (but may well be not as experienced) racers, BUT I think the Class should be recognised as purely 250 Production, and that brand can stand up all by itself in ANY series!

Heck, the cagers don't call it the Suzuki Swift DEVELOPMENT Series do they?
Nor do they call the Racket 150 Class in Karts Development.....

But yeah, I reckon if there is a rider who wins 250 Production National Class here, there is no reason he can't go to Australia and compete with those boys.
After all the best rider gets the most out of a bike when they are all essentially the same......

Re Points, if the bike owner agrees with my choice, I will be pulling over and letting all past me, ( Was not suggesting I would be leading, maybe in the top 3-8 Place) they invested in the championship and me taking points of them could effect there total outcome big time! I am only having some fun, but fair enough with your choice on that one man.

Re Development wording, that was just used as a way of showing a name that could be justified with Kawasaki to try and encourage a great race purchase price, it gives KAWASAKI a ROI for the discount!

Food for thought.