What is NZ's police pursuit policy regarding vehicles?

**Damantis** · 5th January 2014, 13:15

Then we'll see less pursuit deaths.

**scumdog** · 5th January 2014, 13:25

Originally Posted by Damantis

Then we'll see less pursuit deaths.

Yep, a camera mounted on the back of the car being chased would be good - that way the driver doing the runner would be able to prove the cops called off the chase AFTER the crash.

(Of course if driver of said runner ends up dead I guess it's a moot point...)

**scumdog** · 5th January 2014, 13:27

Originally Posted by Mushu

I think it goes more like, chase till they crash then call in that pursuit has been abandoned, wait a minute or two then call in the crash.

Yep, 97.85% of all other cretins on this site actually believe that too!

**pritch** · 5th January 2014, 13:33

Coupla things:

The media always refer to such a chase as a "Police chase". So if someone dies it is reported along the lines of, "Youth dies in Police chase." This contains a tacit implication that the Police were at fault. This impression is reinforced by the announcement of an inquiry, and that the matter has been referred to the Police Complaints Authority.

A more realistic headline might be, "Stupid criminal arsehole kills himself while attempting to evade Police." If you think that's a bit tough, imagine this was happening on your bike which he had just stolen. Somehow though that headline, while accurate, needs to be a bit more snappy.

Somebody referred to thought processes; it's more basic than that. The response goes back to the days of cavemen and sabre tooth tigers. I am admitting to nothing you understand, but I can remember when I was young. No, not quite as far back as sabre tooth tigers. One time the siren goes off and you shit yourself (figuratively I hope). Next time time it's, "Fuck you", and away we go. This is to do with the fight or flight response. Of course then you have time to think, but once you have grabbed the gas you would look pretty silly slowing down.

If any of you actually plan to do a runner you had better keep your tank topped up - or it could get very embarrassing.

**James Deuce** · 5th January 2014, 13:51

Originally Posted by pritch

Coupla things:

The media always refer to such a chase as a "Police chase". So if someone dies it is reported along the lines of, "Youth dies in Police chase." This contains a tacit implication that the Police were at fault. This impression is reinforced by the announcement of an inquiry, and that the matter has been referred to the Police Complaints Authority.

The same principle is used to assign fault in "collisions" simply by using a pejorative instead of a generic noun when describing an MVA. "Biker collides with Tanker." That usually translates in reality to Burgman 650 scooter rider killed by Tanker not stopping at an intersection. Apologies to Burgman 650 riders and tanker drivers alike. Any resemblence to Burgman 650 riders and Tanker drivers in general is completely coincidental.

The "Police Chase" thing has started to become almost as annoying as the aforementioned habit of apportioning blame via clumsy use of language. It primarily indicates the lack of respect the media has for its client base. "We did no research so we won't report any facts but the Police WERE in the process of pursuing someone. So there."

It used to be, "A suspect in a petrol station robbery was identified by a Police unit and pursued, however pursuit was abandoned and the driver of the pursued vehicle later lost control of their vehicle. Police are on the look out for a Caucasian male, approximately 1.8 metres tall, wearing jeans and a black t-shirt." Not very exciting though, is it?

**Swoop** · 5th January 2014, 14:01

Some reading for you.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ide-to-runners

**tigertim20** · 5th January 2014, 14:18

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

It's not so black and white. I've listened to many chases while I had my scanner, and the comms supervisor has to make the call based on speed, road conditions, traffic density etc. I've heard of chases getting to 140kmh in a 50 zone before being called off.

Not always. If the driver/rider being chased was operating their motor vehicle in a particularly dangerous manner, comms can order the nearby units not to recommence pursuit upon sighting the suspect again.

I think thats exactly what he was pointing out - that there is no hard and fast rule. residential area, vs residential area 2 bolcks from a school at 3pm for instance will likely have a different result in terms of police response to speed and a chase.

**Muppet** · 5th January 2014, 14:18

Originally Posted by Akzle

dont need to run. Just dont stop.
Popo frequently get in shit for when they run someone into a lamp post or ditch, but the media line is always 'we terminated the pursuit 2 minutes before they died'

So when a chase goes tits up, Police get in the shit and the guy they're chasing dies. And here you are telling people not to stop. Perhaps if the person being chased stopped they'd go to court get a fine and live. Isn't that better than running and putting yourself and the public at risk?

**FJRider** · 5th January 2014, 14:30

Originally Posted by Mushu

I think it goes more like, chase till they crash then call in that pursuit has been abandoned, wait a minute or two then call in the crash.

Some motorcyclists seem to be able to crash ... without being chased ...

**Mo NZ** · 5th January 2014, 14:50

Just had a thought.
You cant find anything re police pursuit policy.

Try looking up Fleeing Driver Policy.

**Akzle** · 5th January 2014, 15:30

Originally Posted by Muppet

So when a chase goes tits up, Police get in the shit and the guy they're chasing dies. And here you are telling people not to stop. Perhaps if the person being chased stopped they'd go to court get a fine and live. Isn't that better than running and putting yourself and the public at risk?

why would you go to court? You know that shits rigged so the jews/lawyerjews/jewdges/copjews always win, right?
Youll notice quite early on in the piece i said 'dont run'
i also never advocated putting anyone in more risk than neccessary.
Muppet, indeed.

**Gremlin** · 5th January 2014, 18:00

Originally Posted by Muppet

So when a chase goes tits up, Police get in the shit and the guy they're chasing dies. And here you are telling people not to stop. Perhaps if the person being chased stopped they'd go to court get a fine and live. Isn't that better than running and putting yourself and the public at risk?

Don't take that one too seriously, we're still trying to find the originating village...