Oh Bugger - Massive screw up here

**Grubber** · 9th January 2014, 08:56

Originally Posted by Kickaha

When we did have it, it was fucking slow and they used to steal half your shit, that's if they hadn't lost it

Rail was good in the day. If you didn't have a deadline on the freight and didn't care if it was damaged too much. It still is quite effective today under the same guise.
Great thing about road transport is the service and reliability.
If you were to look at the stats you would see that there is in fact very few deaths or injury due to heavy transport. Although this doesn't mean it couldn't improve as we can well see from this incident.

**Paul in NZ** · 9th January 2014, 09:00

Originally Posted by Grubber

Rail was good in the day. If you didn't have a deadline on the freight and didn't care if it was damaged too much. It still is quite effective today under the same guise.
Great thing about road transport is the service and reliability.
If you were to look at the stats you would see that there is in fact very few deaths or injury due to heavy transport. Although this doesn't mean it couldn't improve as we can well see from this incident.

Well... Not always...

Rail could not physically deliver that load... Too wide for any tunnels ;-) And back when we were selling big flat screens that cost a motza there were heaps that went 'missing' off trucks... Truely an alarming amount...

**Grubber** · 9th January 2014, 09:57

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Well... Not always...

Rail could not physically deliver that load... Too wide for any tunnels ;-) And back when we were selling big flat screens that cost a motza there were heaps that went 'missing' off trucks... Truely an alarming amount...

Yea very true. Still needed a truck to deliver. But to get bulk loads from Auckland to Chch perhaps with no time constraints, they are very competitive.
Oh yes, plenty went missing for sure, especially smaller freight of the individual packages. Should have seen how much beer was in the wagons we used to unload and deliver. Bulk loads such as large consignments of timber etc they were very cost effective.

**Trade_nancy** · 9th January 2014, 10:32

Originally Posted by Grubber

Well said.
This was one of my subbies that crashed.
Plenty of speculation at the moment.

Large loads generally have tons of lights on them to give plenty of visibility.
With the Big Chill behind those lights would not have been visible of coarse.
Think someone had their eyes shut.

Sad affair all the same!

Good point - no matter how many lights are on board = possibly invisible with a truck behind or in front. Move it during the day.

**Paul in NZ** · 9th January 2014, 10:40

Originally Posted by Trade_nancy

Good point - no matter how many lights are on board = possibly invisible with a truck behind or in front. Move it during the day.

I take the point but am not so sure as it was 11m wide ffs and lets assume it should have had lights at the outer edges... The rigs are often not so well lit up from behind and the car would have been harder to see BUT those vehicles would have had legal tail lights... If the cat had its outer edges lit the pattern could have looked very confusing from behind and the driver imagined it was something else all together...

Either way 2 people died under terrible circumstance and we can only hope a proper investigation may lead to changes in how this sort of thing is done to stop it happening again...

**Trade_nancy** · 9th January 2014, 11:20

I doubt any changes will happen Paul.
Big wide road there - gotta agree with that - so in theory should be visible. But as we all know - we see less and less often at night and when we are tired...less again.
But what about before that accident site - up Rangitikei Line on the way out of palmy? I've had two close calls with houses being moved by these people...both incidents two years ago and I made a police complaint after the second. I saw a pilot vehicle drive past me at the intersection turning onto rang St towards Palmy. I turned, kept slow and leftish...saw a blaze of glory lights up ahead - could have been anything - I was dazzled by the barrage of lights. Pulled to a stop half off the road...I nearly hit the house - they only had XMAS lights on the truck and the house took both lanes of the road. I had to rapidly go left off the road onto the grass/gravel. Tailend ute driver came along and I yelled out the truck's load was not visible - he called back "get fucked".

**Paul in NZ** · 9th January 2014, 11:29

Originally Posted by Trade_nancy

Tailend ute driver came along and I yelled out the truck's load was not visible - he called back "get fucked".

Now thats some classy pro driving stuff right there....

**bogan** · 9th January 2014, 11:47

Originally Posted by cassina

There is a school of thought by some posters on this website that if you feel safe you are safe going fast. Maybe that driver had the same school of thought.

A person or persons died in a manner that made identifying the number of dead extremely difficult. Show some fucking respect you brain-dead troll.

**Grumph** · 9th January 2014, 12:40

Originally Posted by cassina

There is a school of thought by some posters on this website that if you feel safe you are safe going fast. Maybe that driver had the same school of thought.

I've seen your posts on other threads mate....Don't EVER come near me for assistance with any motorcycle.

i have never blacklisted anyone before but your sanctimonious attitude gets right up my nose......

**Akzle** · 9th January 2014, 13:23

Originally Posted by Grumph

i have never blacklisted anyone before......

even me??
. .

**oldrider** · 9th January 2014, 13:44

Number of times we have suddenly rounded a corner and come upon a tractor with an unlit trailer in tow is starting to mount up!

Last one was between the Forks Hotel and Ikawai on a narrow left hander ... almost pitch black ... couldn't see the tractor lights for the size of the unlit trailer!

Very close thing actually but fortunately was alert looking out for bloody wallabies .... have had tangles with them through there at night quite often!

**Paul in NZ** · 9th January 2014, 13:53

Originally Posted by Akzle

even me??
. .

You need to try harder....

**Paul in NZ** · 9th January 2014, 13:54

Originally Posted by oldrider

Number of times we have suddenly rounded a corner and come upon a tractor with an unlit trailer in tow is starting to mount up!

Last one was between the Forks Hotel and Ikawai on a narrow left hander ... almost pitch black ... couldn't see the tractor lights for the size of the unlit trailer!

Very close thing actually but fortunately was alert looking out for bloody wallabies .... have had tangles with them through there at night quite often!

Yup - even on SHW1 in certain areas you can easily get caught out by agricultural machines...