well we definitely cant have women making decisions. So midgets it is.Originally Posted by mashman
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well we definitely cant have women making decisions. So midgets it is.
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Odd. On the back of an Auckland bus today, there was an advert for his album "Good times" on the back.
Can I download a pirate version from the Mega website?
TOP QUOTE: “The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.”
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Fair enough... but that opens the door for Hyde again.
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
Just faidin away!
Dot.Com, Len Brown, this country is just loaded with political gems waiting in the wings as well as that wonderful list of current aspiring leaders currently offering!
We are spoilt for choice in this country!
The Majestic Metal Wizard
Okay, lots to reply to and I am posting on my phone - excuse the brevity and typos:
Azkle - sure I might give 50% of my working life to own a house, but I also give that to be an inheritance to my hypothetical children and for That - I am truly stoked
You didnt provide an actual point with your dismissal of the short sighted comment
Next we have the notion that there wont be incompatibilities - do you know why engineering standards exist? Its because if they didnt people would just 'do it their way' imagine you went from one council area to another, the road signs are all different, the power grid ran at a different voltage, your cell phone wont work due to different frequencies etc. There are a multitude of things that require standardisation.
Finally to your balancing the books statement - the answer is fiscally responsible borrowing - something that elludes both nations and people alike - but I guess its easier to blame those evil corporations right?
Mashman
1 history has shown that without some central governance, what you think will happen is just a pipe dream.
2 Ultimately it must be we the people who keep an eye on them, as we are the ones who suffer when we dont
3 so I read that website - and I will be polite - its deluded.
Let me expand - it is communism 2.0 - but remember how it failed misrably in Russia? Let me explain.
Suppose l ask a builder to build me a house - the builder then puts in 400 hours to build my house (something that takes skill and training to do) and I contribute to society 400 hours of grass cutting (not something that requires the same level of skill)
Who got the better deal? Then the builder says 'why should I spend all my time being an apprentice when I can just cut grass and get a sweet house?'
Not to mention the problem of resource scarcity....
Unless of course we assign an arbitrary value to the goods and services that we supply that is easily divible, wildly accepted and highly mobile. Funnily enough these are the atributes of money.
In these fairy tale systems - the ultimate failure is the same one that the NOW front page pointed out in its spiel about why if all debt was wiped - we would still end up in the same position. People. People are the problem.
Onto human nature - in short there is evolutionary advantage to be greedy and seek power, dont believe me? Look at the male lion or the alpha wolf or the bull elephant. We are for the most part confirming to millions of years of genetic hard coding.
Classes shrink and grow due to biths, marriages and luck. As for tests, if you think all tests are simply a regurgitation of rote learning then you do not understand how the IQ test works - sure it isnt perfect and there is debate as to other forms of intelligence (such as emotional) but that is a different debate.
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1. I grant you that it has been the norm, but communism had central governance and you decided that that didn't work. So central governance isn't the issue. What you seem to be alluding to is, without the threat of violence, people will do what they want and the world will descend into chaos. Theorising that that would be the case without understanding how such a system would function isn't exactly what I would call a valid critique is it?
2. Agreed, we do need to keep an eye on them... but given that people work during the day, have a family to look after for the rest of the time whilst they're awake. How will that happen? I would venture that it won't.
3. No offence taken... Why is it deluded? real reasons, not, oh it's pipe dreams, it's fairy tales, it's communism, it's stupid etc... they are not reasons and I would venture that you have ignored the salient point that people have not been educated in regards to a NOW let alone been asked whether they would live in it. As I said earlier I posted a poll on here and the result is approx 50 - 50. So 50% don't think it's deluded. They must be space cadet dummies, right?
Communism never existed. As what you seem to be referring to as communism still used a financial system. So NOW and what you call communism is apples and oranges.
Everyone got the better deal, because grass got cut and houses go built. 2 jobs that needed done and if the builder decides to cut grass as his "contribution", then who's going to build houses? Do builders only ever become builders to make money? I'm guessing not all of them started off that way, but actually wanted to build houses.
Resource scarcity will become a problem. If money is involved resources will go to those who can afford it, not necessarily those who need it. That's what you seem to be advocating.
The value will be in what the resources are used for, not what they are worth. Where is the value in resources used for producing Barbie Dolls? The world can do without Barbie Dolls, but they make money, so people will waste the resources. You're happy to accept that given that resource scarcity is on the horizon?
People aren't the problem, yes they can be cunts, but the environment under which they function encourages that behaviour. As mentioned earlier, there are billions of people who are "good", the vast majority most likely... so take theft as a for instance. Under a financial system, people can fuck people over big time by taking their money. Under NOW, that can't happen. Also, why would anyone take something from someone else if the thing that they want is free at the shops? You have changed the way people behave by changing the environment under which they function.
If it was human nature and hard wired into our genetic code, we'd be fighting like the animals and we'd all be gredy and seeking power. The vast majority of us don't, we cooperate. Perhaps those "alpha's" need to evolve coz the rest of us have moved on from beating our chests and waging war on comparitively defenseless countries. If you had have left them in a hippy household, they would have probably turned out to be pacifists. It's learned behaviour, not human nature.
So how do you explain the recent reports that state that the middle class is shrinking? It has nothing to do with mortality and has everything to do with the GFC. Of course it's rote. If it wasn't, then you couldn't learn how to answer the questions and up your IQ. You can. Go ask a 5 year old to sit an IQ test. But yeah, another topic.
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Ha, what a moron quote
Did you parents used to tell you to eat your dinner and think of the starving kids in Africa. Never mind the fact of logistics of getting your dinner there.
I am not saying we should have no government - I saying we should fix the way they are elected. But that sounds way over your head.
Somalia's problems exist due to its borders (or lack of). The shear fact you do not know that or anything to do with the associated warlords of Somalia tells me you have never been there. A government would simply be another form of tax for Somalians.
NZ is one of the best countries in the world in many things. Including governance. But it is far from efficient or perfect - I think that can change VERY EASILY. The same as we did when we allowed for the indigenous people and women to vote. We WERE a world leader in political reform. Now we are following. Why?
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1. no, 50% of your energy is taken as tax. That 50% props up a system you admit is flawed.
B. Yes i did. It was (quote)
Youre framing your thoughts by what already is.
4. PLEASE. How. When you borrow a dollar that costs a dollar fiddy,
and the only way to pay the fiddy is to borrow it, which costs fiddy and a quarter.
HOW DO YOU GET OUT OF JEW DEBT?
Fiscal responsibility does not mean borrowing. Oxymoron.
iii. Fuck it. Im done with you.
Youre framing your thoughts by what already is.
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We WERE a world leader in political reform. Now we are following. Why?. .
The Majestic Metal Wizard
1: What is the Alternative then - user pays for every service? because that works so well where it is implemented
4: you earn $2, pay the $1.50, save the $0.5 - I am going to ignore the anti-semetic ranting - it has no place in a civilised debate.
The maths is simple really - if you earn $1,000/week, and you need $500/week to live, you can borrow any amount of Money so long as as the repayments do not exceed $500/week and the term of the loan does not exceed your natural life span.
This is Fiscally responsible borrowing.
If however you take out debt where the total repayments exceed $500/week this is where the problem starts - This is not Fiscally responsible borrowing - yet this is what so many people and governments do - they borrow more than they have the capacity to repay - is this the fault of Money or the Financial system? No, it is the fault of PEOPLE borrowing and trying to live beyond their means - but again - its easier to blame those big nasty corporations that get rich from other peoples stupidity.
if everyone - people and governments alike started being responsible with money - the problems you are describing will go away.
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Just faidin away!
The Media will be the catalyst for the outcome of the next election and they have begun their quest ... all this KB prattle is waste of time and energy!
"trolling"
the rest is... do it but don't get caught
Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. (John 15:13)
"trolling"
so what's going to be the next ruling dictator ship? blue, red, green, dickcom or brownThe Media will be the catalyst for the outcome of the next election and they have begun their quest ... all this KB prattle is waste of time and energy!
Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. (John 15:13)
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TheDemonLord... I don't think Akzle is questioning fiscal responsibility, more highlighting that fiscal responsibility is all but impossible given how money is created.
Using your example:
Yes, on a personal level your maths stacks up. However you need to take into account where that money has come from. The $1000 has come from somewhere in order for you to be paid. Therefore the $1000 has had to be created in the form of a loan. That loan will have been issued with interest. Let's say that interest is 1%. So when that $1000 was created, the issuer expects to receive $1010 in return. Where do you find that extra $10? It has to be created. So you create that $10, but that $10 is actually $10.10 as the money has been created with the associated debt i.e. interest... boiling down to the irrefutable mathematical conclusion that there will never be enough money to repay that debt. The issuer would have to write off the $10 in order for there to be enough money in the world to repay the loan. Without question, someone has to be left with the debt that was created... and it sure as hell ain't the banks.
Therefore, it is all but impossible to be fiscally responsible when you are left with that debt. It's a case of don't get caught with the hot potato... hot potato, hot potato, hot potato... mashed banana do be do be do be do be do.
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Since when has sewing seeds been a waste of time and energyThe Media will be the catalyst for the outcome of the next election and they have begun their quest ... all this KB prattle is waste of time and energy!
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