Prime Minister Dotcom?

[mashman]

So I guess your not keen on NOW then?

Seems like they're scared of losing something. Fucked if I know what they're going to lose. No, hang on, they're scared of people getting something that they don't believe that those people deserve. Which currently happens. So much fear.

[mashman]

I made no guesses whatsoever, you're the one who reckons there aren't any more jobs. All I did was point out that you didn't have a clue and you were pulling shit out of your arse to suit your own agenda. Again.

Of course you're guessing. You reckon you've got me pegged. You've got no idea. Therefore every comment you make in regards to why I want certain things a certain way is nothing more than a guess. Pretty repetitive and boring... yet true to form. Funny though, I didn't say there weren't any more jobs, I was querying where the 170,000 jobs the govt stated they were going to create were is all. I guess that didn't suit your agenda though eh. Again.

I have a job. Nothing unfortunate about it, I earned it and I continue to earn what it pays. If there's people unemployed it's because there's an artificial lower limit in how much jobs can pay. Arsehole minimum wage controls and there'd be plenty of jobs for those who's work isn't worth paying much for.

Ok, we can change the subject if you like... which was Bennett saying that there weren't enough jobs available for everyone. Somethingabout suiting ones agenda rattling around.... meh. Go fish. Money is infinite, unless you're talking of another artificial low limit? @ditching the minimum wage as being a stimulus. I don't agree with slavery and neither do many others, bawss.

Because it's not the job that defines the value of the person doing the work, it's the person paying for it: the market. Which defines the root of your problem, you see everyone's work effort as being identical in value, which is not only factually but ethically wrong. The fact that so many believe that their effort should be rewarded at so much more than anyone else is prepared to pay for is the real cause of unemployment, not the evel corporations and banks conspiring against them.

So, given that in your fevered imaginings hard working well trained and clever people don't benefit any more than lazy, uneducated and stupid people, and that you not only expect such a system to "work" but insist that it's a perfectly fair and reasonable one then I'd say it's tolerably obvious that your level of idiocy trumps pretty much anything you might like to compare it with.

Ethically wrong? There's your problem right there... your entitlement complex. Yeah, squirreling trillions in offshore accounts has nothing to do with the amount of money available for job creation. Whilst you cold hearted logic makes a perverse sense, valuing people so that they have to be susidised by the public might have something to do with unemployment. Your beloved free market would compound this even further if the minimum wage arseholed. Like I said, people don't like slavery... some actively fight against it. Having said that, go for it, arsehole the minimum wage and I'll sit back with a big fat doobey as the chaos ensues.

Your assumption that everyone cares about the bad bad people who don't do anything is just that, an assumption. It currently happens and we pay for it. I see no difference... other than less crime and less poverty that is. Wahh wahh wahh but he's more stupiderer/lazier than I am, I deserve more. Such moronic childish entitlement bullshit. I expect to hear that in the playground, not from a so called grown man. You need a hug doncha.

[Akzle]

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU LOT

this discussion has been had before and you're neither moving your respective ideologies forward.

bogan is wrong. btw.

[Akzle]

just found this and couldn't go past it.

[mashman]

Well I thought I'd try to get the perspective of the wimmins in the house. The Wife and the eldest Daughter (10).

The questions: Who should be paid more? Who is more important?

The subjects: Doctor and Bin man.

Question to Daughter: Who is more important? (concept of money not fully embedded into her psyche yet... I blame her father).
Answer: The Doctor because he saves lives.

Question to Wife: Who should be paid more?
Answer: The Doctor, because he trains for the position, takes on debt, and has qualifications... and anyone can be a bin man.

Question to Wife: Who is more important?
Answer: The Doctor, because he saves lives.

Response to Daughter: If there is no bin man, the rubbish will collect everywhere and the Doctor may find it harder to drive to work. Also the "filth" will bring with it mice and rats and disease. The Doctor will be overrun with patients and as the Doctor gets overwhelmed with patients and can't treat them all, people will start to die.

Daughter: Oh, ok... silence.

Questions again to Wife and Responds: Squnits, smiles (grrrrr, love that smile), and responds with, they're both as important as each other and therefore should be paid equally as they rely on each other... although the Doctor should be paid more as he will have taken on more debt.

Daughter: Her hand goes up, she is asked to wait.

Response to Wife: So if higher education were free like it once was and the Doctor was trained for free, they should be both paid the same?

Daughter: Her hand goes up, she is asked to wait.

Wife: Yes.

Daughter: The bin man is more important. If the bin man doesn't do his job, more people will die than the Doctor can save, so the bin man saves more lives than the Doctor.

Response to Daughter: But the bin man might need the Doctor if he hurts himself. They should be paid the same and are both as important.

Daughter: Yes. But the Doctor doesn't save as many lives as the bin man. So he is more important. EDIT: If there is disease, then the Doctor, who is treating diseased patients, could catch the disease and die and there would be less and less Doctors.

At which point both my Wife and I had to agree with our Daughter. So not only does she think you smart fuckers and your value system are full of shit, and rightly so, she also ignored the financial rewards entirely and focused on the lives being saved. She did concede that both were needed, but maintained that the bin man was more important.

I haz lotz of pridez. They should teach that sort of stuff at school. Faster broadband as a policy for running for govt... fuck that, my Daughter for PM!

[avgas]

So did the wife raise your allowance for taking out the trash?

[Kickaha]

Response to Daughter: If there is no bin man, the rubbish will collect everywhere and the Doctor may find it harder to drive to work. Also the "filth" will bring with it mice and rats and disease. The Doctor will be overrun with patients and as the Doctor gets overwhelmed with patients and can't treat them all, people will start to die.

What a load of drivel

Did you ever think that maybe people will start taking there own shit to the dump?

[Akzle]

What a load of drivel

Did you ever think that maybe people will start taking there own shit to the dump?

you ever been to south auckland? those niggers put out 5 black sacks a week. no recycling. and instead of taking shit to the dump, they chuck it in the mangroves.

they'll take it to the dump

[mashman]

What a load of drivel

Did you ever think that maybe people will start taking there own shit to the dump?

... you've obviously never lived through a bin strike. And that was 30+ years ago... there's a more rubbish today on account of their being more people. Plus it's pretty tricky to do without a car if the local tip is 10k's away. Nice sentiment, but.........

Edity: come to think of it, if disease does raise its ugly head and everyone is taking their own shit to the dump, other than just chucking the shit around the edge, more people would end up with disease and the same thing would happen.

[mashman]

So did the wife raise your allowance for taking out the trash?

She raised somefink...

[Kickaha]

... you've obviously never lived through a bin strike. And that was 30+ years ago...

No, but I've lived when/where there was no collection, hey guess what people took there own shit to the dump

[Kickaha]

you ever been to south auckland? those niggers put out 5 black sacks a week. no recycling. and instead of taking shit to the dump, they chuck it in the mangroves.

Auckland is a giant fucking tip anyway, we should just dump all our rubbish there

[mashman]

No, but I've lived when/where there was no collection, hey guess what people took there own shit to the dump

Me too. Even still, the logic of the 10 year old reigns supreme. But nice try... hang on, here she is, I'll put your argument to her...

Daughter to Kickaha: Hmmmmmmmmm. Then everyone is as important as the Doctor as they are all saving lives.

[Akzle]

Auckland is a giant fucking tip anyway, we should just dump all our rubbish there

i can't disagree.

but who will sort it?

it would be nice if everyone took responsibility for their shit, but they dont. cos theyre dicks.

[BoristheBiter]

... you've obviously never lived through a bin strike. And that was 30+ years ago... there's a more rubbish today on account of their being more people. Plus it's pretty tricky to do without a car if the local tip is 10k's away. Nice sentiment, but.........

Edity: come to think of it, if disease does raise its ugly head and everyone is taking their own shit to the dump, other than just chucking the shit around the edge, more people would end up with disease and the same thing would happen.

So on one hand you say that everything will work under NOW but we can't survive a bin strike?







Oh fuck I've done it again. sorry Bandit.