Prime Minister Dotcom?

[Banditbandit]

Doh ...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/education/...192426&ref=rss


"They do a good job, but corporate welfare, or corporate largesse, is not the solution to serious poverty and inequity. It is a responsibility of the state to make sure we have the economic settings right so families have enough to feed their kids."

So the Government is going to pay for their food ??? Fail ..

[BoristheBiter]

Well, my objections were based on points where I believe the system will fail in its current state, if those points are addressed then it could be a viable alternative..

So then, to address those points (as I was challenged) although I must stress that I still think the overall concept of NOW and the ability to provide incentives to keep people in higher work are mutually exclusive, I am not one to shy away from a challenge.

First off the real question is how do you Incentivize people without money?

People have to feel adequately rewarded for the job they do in order to keep them doing it. Whether that Reward is Money or other, people have to feel rewarded.

So I had some thoughts on this - first thought was to have some form of Tiered system, but then that is really just importing one of the key problems from the current financial system and will create Financial-style NOW crimes

Since there isn't Money things like Perks (yah know, company car, company lappie etc.) won't work either

Possibly more Holiday time, but seeing as there won't be the financial pressure to not come to work, Holiday won't be as important - people will just go AWOL.

So the best idea I could come up with was some form of gay-ass appreciation day.

But then the problem is for each of the career paths that require significant higher education, they would all need their own appreciation day, thus not making it special.

Maybe someone could come up with better ideas, but yeah, without some form or monetary or item based rewards, I can't think how to give people an incentive to put in the hard yards for the higher jobs and stay in them.

as for sticks to keep people in work - the only ideas I had was either forcing people to work (which isn't a society I want to live in) or being unemployed means you are able to be requsitioned by the State to do any number of Menial tasks (like picking up litter in the Park etc.)

easy.

everyone is educated exactly the same until they are 13.
then a ballot is done and they are given what their jobs will be and they will be trained accordingly.
If you don't like the job you have been given you will have a month to find the job you want and swap with that person.

The bigger issue is, as a species, we are lazy slack arses.

[mashman]

easy.

everyone is educated exactly the same until they are 13.
then a ballot is done and they are given what their jobs will be and they will be trained accordingly.
If you don't like the job you have been given you will have a month to find the job you want and swap with that person.

The bigger issue is, as a species, we are lazy slack arses.

They made a movie about a system like that: Bee Movie.

[mashman]

Doh ...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/education/...192426&ref=rss


"They do a good job, but corporate welfare, or corporate largesse, is not the solution to serious poverty and inequity. It is a responsibility of the state to make sure we have the economic settings right so families have enough to feed their kids."

So the Government is going to pay for their food ??? Fail ..

Cutting nose off to spite face comes to mind.

[Banditbandit]

So, the chance of you voting for them has just dropped a notch ?

As you should well know there is already NO CHANCE of me voting for the right leaning pack of wankers ...

[oldrider]

As you should well know there is already NO CHANCE of me voting for the right leaning pack of wankers ...

Pity that ... with your head screwed on the right (pun) way you would be as good as any other pretender that I have seen in there!

[BoristheBiter]

They made a movie about a system like that: Bee Movie.

Maybe should look to them, or ants, to form the new world order.

[mashman]

Maybe should look to them, or ants, to form the new world order.

... I think that's where the new world order is heading anyway.

[BoristheBiter]

... I think that's where the new world order is heading anyway.

yep, kill off the sick, old and those that don't want to work.

[mashman]

yep, kill off the sick, old and those that don't want to work.

Nahhhh... they need all of those scrounging bastards to kick, else they'd each the rich (whatever the fuck rich is... personally I'd prefer to eat the sweet)

[oldrider]

Nahhhh... they need all of those scrounging bastards to kick, else they'd each the rich (whatever the fuck rich is... personally I'd prefer to eat the sweet)

Hey Mashie if John Key and the National party said that they would impliment your NOW scheme ... would you vote for them?

[mashman]

Hey Mashie if John Key and the National party said that they would impliment your NOW scheme ... would you vote for them?

Yes. I know I could trust them to fulfil their promise. But in all seriousness, absolutely if they actually looked as though they were doing it i.e. they put the system on the ballot before their re-election to govt and educated the people in regards to what NOW was.

[BoristheBiter]

Nahhhh... they need all of those scrounging bastards to kick, else they'd each the rich (whatever the fuck rich is... personally I'd prefer to eat the sweet)

It is only the left, and those scrounging, that say that.

[Ocean1]

I thought the result was how their effort was valued. Meh.

Wrong. If you want to keep the result of your effort then presumably you worked out that the effort was worth the result before you started.

If the result of your effort is to exchange for other stuff then the person buying it values it in terms of market value, in units called money.

II'll say it again: Did I say that hard work wasn't required?

Oh I know you understand that hard work would still be needed. What you don't understand is that, given that everything about your plan is aimed at removing the link between producer and consumer and controlling rewards yourself you simply won't be getting any hard work. I don't care how altruistic you claim everyone is, the fact is almost all hard work is done as the result of reward. No reward: No work.

FFS you currently get no work from a significant part of the population that are rewarded anyway, what the fuck makes you think that situation would improve if you removed ALL of the incentive to work?

No, let's be honest, you're arseholeing of money is a moronic reaction to your cultural dislike of the "upper class". A dislike so ingrained it discolours everything you see. You're a sad, irrelevant wee man a hundred years late for a minor class war that happened half a planet away.

You have made that clear. Your choice.

Excellent. I look forward to hearing how you plan on remunerating all that hard work you claim would continue unabated in your brave new world. Actually I look forward to my evening constitutional crap with more enthusiasm, but apparently I have to practice being polite.

And I plan on continuing to exercise that choice.

[Ocean1]

Doesn't stop you.

No, what stops me is the need for coherence in communication.

Something you might try... if you choose.

Check the context and try again... if you choose.

Context? Fuck off, you said you didn't say something, I proved you did, you were wrong.

Again.

I gave you a reason for it being ignored.

I just told you the reason, the facts don't fit your story, you do it every time you don't like the facts.

... gold

Like that.

There have always been mainstream popularist pitch fork wielding people... likely always will be.

Otherwise known as a voting majority. A distinction you like to reserve for opinions you agree with.