Prime Minister Dotcom?

[phill-k]

Actually whilst the raid on his place and the violation of his civil rights on behalf of the film industry of America is bad enough, the fact we also denied him his liberty for almost six weeks is criminal, he wasn't a terrorist, all he did supposedly was facilitate others but without knowledge to share some fucken movies for christs sake, this has the makings of nazi Germany. His supposed crime was not even against anyone in NZ but we did all that to him.

Frankly I hope he is successful in suing the government and Key and any award for damages is in the 100's of millions, as this has been a disgraceful episode in NZ's history, and don't say he was only a fat German, because if the government will act like this on the behest of the Yanks what real protection do we have as NZer's against a Government who might be persuaded to breach our fundamental rights to privacy, respect, and an justice system that requires our accusers to prove a reasonable standard of guilt.

I ask you this question, have you ever seen such an operation undertaken by the police and co against such organisations like the bikie gangs that destroy others lives through brutality or drugs, seen gang members imprisoned for weeks without a trial or even evidence to suggest wrong doing, remember the evidence against Kim DotCom is still to be provided by the yanks.

[Akzle]

Vital correction Akzle!

well duh, but the Jew S of A is owned by israel. So kinda goes without saying...

[phill-k]

I meant he is not a NZ citizen but a resident, if he was they couldn't extradite him unless they revoked his passport.

He is accused of crimes related to online piracy, including racketeering, conspiring to commit copyright infringement, and conspiring to commit money laundering.

But yes I would send him packing in a heart beat, he should never been allowed residency.
He is a convcited crimal.

In 1994, he was arrested by German police for trafficking in stolen phone calling card numbers. He was held in custody for a month, released and arrested again on additional hacking charges shortly afterwards. He was eventually convicted of 11 counts of computer fraud, 10 counts of data espionage, and an assortment of other charges. He received a two-year suspended sentence – because he was under age at the time the crimes were committed.[29] The judge in the case said the court viewed his actions as "youthful foolishness."[30]
In 2001, Schmitz bought €375,000 worth of shares of the nearly bankrupt company Letsbuyit.com (de) and subsequently announced his intention to invest €50 million in the company.[31] The announcement caused the share value of Letsbuyit.com to jump[32] and Schmitz cashed out, making a profit of €1.5 million. One commentator suggested that Schmitz may have been ignorant of the legal ramifications of what he had done, since insider trading was not made a crime in Germany until 1995,[29] and until 2002 prosecutors also had to prove the accused had criminal intent.[33]
Schmitz moved to Thailand to avoid investigation[12] where he was subsequently arrested on behalf of German authorities.[30] In response, he allegedly pretended to kill himself online, posting a message on his website that from now on he wished to be known as "His Royal Highness King Kimble the First, Ruler of the Kimpire".[30][34] He was deported back to Germany where he pleaded guilty to embezzlement in November 2003 and, after five months in jail awaiting trial, again received a suspended sentence (of 20 months).[33] After avoiding a prison sentence for a second time, he left Germany and moved to Hong Kong in late 2003.[12]
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I still don't see your point, at the time of the governments airborne attack on his personal residence, the yanks had offered no actual proof of crime, only allegations, fine we perhaps should follow them up, but do you not have some concerns with the response we were encouraged by the yanks to undertake, was he really a risk to anyone, a flight risk, was his persona such that he could or would disappear at the drop of a hat, did the government act in this way against any of those in the finance industry that fleeced NZer's of their savings, pursued them and imprisoned them without trial, hey no one likes the guy so who cares, but you should because this could happen to you. You obviously want us to treat him in light of his past history, or perhaps because he's fat and rich and German, the government let him in, and by doing so should protect his rights as we all expect them to respect out rights as New Zealander.

[oldrider]

Actually whilst the raid on his place and the violation of his civil rights on behalf of the film industry of America is bad enough, the fact we also denied him his liberty for almost six weeks is criminal, he wasn't a terrorist, all he did supposedly was facilitate others but without knowledge to share some fucken movies for christs sake, this has the makings of nazi Germany. His supposed crime was not even against anyone in NZ but we did all that to him.

Frankly I hope he is successful in suing the government and Key and any award for damages is in the 100's of millions, as this has been a disgraceful episode in NZ's history, and don't say he was only a fat German, because if the government will act like this on the behest of the Yanks what real protection do we have as NZer's against a Government who might be persuaded to breach our fundamental rights to privacy, respect, and an justice system that requires our accusers to prove a reasonable standard of guilt.

I ask you this question, have you ever seen such an operation undertaken by the police and co against such organisations like the bikie gangs that destroy others lives through brutality or drugs, seen gang members imprisoned for weeks without a trial or even evidence to suggest wrong doing, remember the evidence against Kim DotCom is still to be provided by the yanks.

So as a taxpayer you are happy to fork out this money to Dot.com ... Speak for your self money bags I'm fucked if I agree with that crap attitude!

[bogan]

So as a taxpayer you are happy to fork out this money to Dot.com ... Speak for your self money bags I'm fucked if I agree with that crap attitude!

I hardley think 100's of millions is right, but reckon the govt should be sent a message, maybe 10mil.

[phill-k]

So as a taxpayer you are happy to fork out this money to Dot.com ... Speak for your self money bags I'm fucked if I agree with that crap attitude!

In a word yes I'll be happy if our courts find that his rights have been breached, don't worry it won't bother the likes of Key, as soon as NZ sends him down the road he will be gone, not to serve with the united nations but he will fuck off to yank land and begin to collect the favours he's done.

I believe or want to that as a kiwi I have some fundamental rights, and those rights are worth fighting for, and if violated I would hope that through the right processes those responsible for breeching then are made accountable, this is what our forefathers supposedly fought for, a free and just land fair to all without fear or discrimination.

[oldrider]

In a word yes I'll be happy if our courts find that his rights have been breached, don't worry it won't bother the likes of Key, as soon as NZ sends him down the road he will be gone, not to serve with the united nations but he will fuck off to yank land and begin to collect the favours he's done.

I believe or want to that as a kiwi I have some fundamental rights, and those rights are worth fighting for, and if violated I would hope that through the right processes those responsible for breeching then are made accountable, this is what our forefathers supposedly fought for, a free and just land fair to all without fear or discrimination.

Such high moral fibre but "we the taxpayers" are left paying the fucking bill! ... "Unbelievable" a nation full of self satisfied starving peasants!

The government doesn't have any money ... except what they steal off us the taxpayers ... I.E. You and me!

[bogan]

Such high moral fibre but "we the taxpayers" are left paying the fucking bill! ... "Unbelievable" a nation full of self satisfied starving peasants!

Is the admission wrong has been done, but no efforts made to right it, not tantamount to theft? Would you rather have us a nation fed by thieves?

[Akzle]

I hardley think 100's of millions is right, but reckon the govt should be sent a message, maybe 10mil.

taken out of the responsible politicians' pay/lifetime benefits.

[BoristheBiter]

I still don't see your point, at the time of the governments airborne attack on his personal residence, the yanks had offered no actual proof of crime, only allegations, fine we perhaps should follow them up, but do you not have some concerns with the response we were encouraged by the yanks to undertake, was he really a risk to anyone, a flight risk, was his persona such that he could or would disappear at the drop of a hat, did the government act in this way against any of those in the finance industry that fleeced NZer's of their savings, pursued them and imprisoned them without trial, hey no one likes the guy so who cares, but you should because this could happen to you. You obviously want us to treat him in light of his past history, or perhaps because he's fat and rich and German, the government let him in, and by doing so should protect his rights as we all expect them to respect out rights as New Zealander.

The point
1) he is not a NZer
2) he is a convicted criminal,
3) he is a flight risk,
4) extradition proceedings were started by the US.
and before you start talking of evidence you will see it is not need to be detained.

Extradition proceedings
18Request for surrender
(1)A request by an extradition country for the surrender of a person who—
(a)is an extraditable person in relation to that country; and
(b)is, or is suspected of being, in New Zealand or on his or her way to New Zealand,—
must be transmitted to the Minister of Justice.
(2)The request must be made—
(a)by a diplomatic or consular representative, or a Minister, of the country that seeks the person's surrender; or
(b)by such other means as is prescribed in a treaty (if any) in force between New Zealand and the extradition country or in any undertakings between New Zealand and the extradition country.
(3)The request must be accompanied by duly authenticated supporting documents.
(4)In this section, supporting documents, in relation to an extradition offence, means,—
(a)if the offence is an offence of which the person is accused,—
(i)a warrant for the arrest of the person for the offence issued in the extradition country by a court or a Judge or other person having authority under the law of the extradition country to issue it; or
(ii)a copy of such a warrant:
(b)if the offence is an offence of which the person has been convicted, such documents as provide evidence of—
(i)the conviction; and
(ii)the sentence imposed or the intention to impose a sentence (where relevant); and
(iii)the extent to which a sentence imposed has not been carried out (where relevant):
(c)in the case of any offence, a written deposition setting out—
(i)a description of, and the penalty applicable in respect of, the offence; and
(ii)the conduct constituting the offence.

[oldrider]

Is the admission wrong has been done, but no efforts made to right it, not tantamount to theft? Would you rather have us a nation fed by thieves?

NZ is paying out millions every day because of the quality of the thieves we put in place to govern us, we should take more care who we put in there!

All care taken but no responsibility .. Thats their motto and and we are left holding the bill and paying the cheque from our taxes!

There is only so much we can take and the bottom of the barrel must be getting awful close by now!

[phill-k]

Such high moral fibre but "we the taxpayers" are left paying the fucking bill! ... "Unbelievable" a nation full of self satisfied starving peasants!

Not my morals but if justice is to be done it must be done legally, the GCSB (or whatever) broke the law, the search warrant was incorrect and thus the whole operation illegal, the seizing of assets was illegal, the imprisonment by association was likely illegal, need I go on, all to satisfy some rich movie moguls, he wasn't a terrorist, a serial killer, rapist, child molester, nor drunk driver, he owned a storage facility and others were using it to store illegal movies, that belonged to some fucken yanks.

You obviously don't have an issue with the above and so long as the outcome is achieved and this puppet government and its string pullers are satisfied you don't care how the result is achieved

What does a country become when its government and its agencies act beyond or in breech of the law without recourse.

[phill-k]

The point
1) he is not a NZer
2) he is a convicted criminal,
3) he is a flight risk,
4) extradition proceedings were started by the US.
and before you start talking of evidence you will see it is not need to be detained.

Extradition proceedings
18Request for surrender
(1)A request by an extradition country for the surrender of a person who—
(a)is an extraditable person in relation to that country; and
(b)is, or is suspected of being, in New Zealand or on his or her way to New Zealand,—
must be transmitted to the Minister of Justice.
(2)The request must be made—
(a)by a diplomatic or consular representative, or a Minister, of the country that seeks the person's surrender; or
(b)by such other means as is prescribed in a treaty (if any) in force between New Zealand and the extradition country or in any undertakings between New Zealand and the extradition country.
(3)The request must be accompanied by duly authenticated supporting documents.
(4)In this section, supporting documents, in relation to an extradition offence, means,—
(a)if the offence is an offence of which the person is accused,—
(i)a warrant for the arrest of the person for the offence issued in the extradition country by a court or a Judge or other person having authority under the law of the extradition country to issue it; or
(ii)a copy of such a warrant:
(b)if the offence is an offence of which the person has been convicted, such documents as provide evidence of—
(i)the conviction; and
(ii)the sentence imposed or the intention to impose a sentence (where relevant); and
(iii)the extent to which a sentence imposed has not been carried out (where relevant):
(c)in the case of any offence, a written deposition setting out—
(i)a description of, and the penalty applicable in respect of, the offence; and
(ii)the conduct constituting the offence.

I don't fucken care about all that shit I care about the fact our government and its agencies in acting on the yanks unproved accusations broke new zealand law and carried out a raid the likes of which has not been seen before in NZ all to catch a man who had a storage facility that others kept stolen movies in.

[Akzle]

All care taken but no responsibility ..

all take and no damn care!

[bogan]

NZ is paying out millions every day because of the quality of the thieves we put in place to govern us, we should take more care who we put in there!

All care taken but no responsibility .. Thats their motto and and we are left holding the bill and paying the cheque from our taxes!

There is only so much we can take and the bottom of the barrel must be getting awful close by now!

We should, but how do plan on getting that message to the people if you don't hold the nation to account over its wrongdoings? The government should be an extension of the people, as it is elected by the people; when it fails, should the people not bear some responsibility as well?