Prime Minister Dotcom?

**Akzle** · 13th February 2014, 20:04

Originally Posted by bogan

We should, but how do plan on getting that message to the people if you don't hold the nation to account over its wrongdoings? The government should be an extension of the people, as it is elected by the people; when it fails, should the people not bear some responsibility as well?

only those that voted for em.

**oldrider** · 13th February 2014, 20:38

Originally Posted by Akzle

only those that voted for em.

True!

NZ gets the government that it deserves unfortunately!

Can't blame the politicians they just fashion themselves to be what the voters want but the voters don't give a fuck and will vote the way the media leads them!

What a screwed up fucking country this is!

They don't mind paying through the nose for all the fuckups!

Because it's easier than thinking "before" an election!

**puddytat** · 13th February 2014, 20:54

The reason Russell Norman went to see KDC for you ignoramuses information, was to plead with him not to start a Party which is more likely to take votes from the Left than the Right.
No conspiracy there.

**BoristheBiter** · 14th February 2014, 06:43

Originally Posted by phill-k

I don't fucken care about all that shit I care about the fact our government and its agencies in acting on the yanks unproved accusations broke new zealand law and carried out a raid the likes of which has not been seen before in NZ all to catch a man who had a storage facility that others kept stolen movies in.

Well you should that IS the law you are ranting about.

Did the GCSB fuck up? yes,
Did the cops go in heavy handed? in hindsight yes, but he has form on fleeing.
has he broken any laws (since the last time)? that's the million dollar question that only he knows and we will have to wait for the courts to decide.

But i get it, you love KDC and assume he has done nothing wrong and want to be his buddy, fare enough I'll let you carry on.

**BoristheBiter** · 14th February 2014, 06:45

Originally Posted by puddytat

The reason Russell Norman went to see KDC for you ignoramuses information, was to plead with him not to start a Party which is more likely to take votes from the Left than the Right.
No conspiracy there.

so it had nothing to do with the betterment of NZers lives but to protect his job.

**phill-k** · 14th February 2014, 07:15

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

Well you should that IS the law you are ranting about.

Did the GCSB fuck up? yes,
Did the cops go in heavy handed? in hindsight yes, but he has form on fleeing.
has he broken any laws (since the last time)? that's the million dollar question that only he knows and we will have to wait for the courts to decide.

But i get it, you love KDC and assume he has done nothing wrong and want to be his buddy, fare enough I'll let you carry on.

Hey don't bother replying you obviously are not reading and understanding all I am saying. In a nutshell I do not like the way our country is going, the Government initiated - Key signed the raid off - a raid on a new zealand residents home which was fundamentally illegal, I don't care who the guy is he is a new zealand resident and the government agencies incompetence and inability to get things legally correct will not only cost this country in compensation never mind that the tactics employed did not equal the possible charges, as I've already said We are seeing a slow creeping move on behalf of the state to diminishing NZ citizens rights, I don't expect you to understand that as you have ably demonstrated in your response above that because Kim is a fat german with a lot of money we can treat him anyway we like, he has been convicted and paid his penance for his past crimes, after all our government also granted him his residency and along with it the same rights as I have.

What we now have is a man rightly pissed off, but unlike most of us has the ability to extract his own pound of flesh and he is going to do so, I don't much like the guy, but then once I liked John Key saw him as a new beginning in NZ politics, younger generation about to get rid of the cronyism within his party, 6 years on and he to has become just the same. Look at all the politicians beating a line to kim's door, not for our good but to serve their own self interest. - I'm out of here should have known attempting a rational debate on a situation developing in NZ was pointless, perhaps when Key invokes the same association legislation as Queensland has done and starts stopping motorcyclists purely because two or more are riding together you will begin to understand where I am coming from.

**MisterD** · 14th February 2014, 07:15

Originally Posted by phill-k

Regardless of what you think about KimDC, am I the only person concerned that only 4 people knew of Peters visit to KimDC's place

1. Peters
2. Krim Dotcom
3. The taxi driver
.
.
12,13 and 14 - The people on the next table in the Green Parrot when Peters was pissed and boasting.

Are we starting to see where your conspiracy theory might break down?

Never mind blogs, it was in the gossip column in the Herald ferchrissakes.

**Banditbandit** · 14th February 2014, 07:34

Originally Posted by oldrider

True but how amusing would that be if your "chosen" (preferred/whatever) leader was the prime minister?

Umm .. who do you think my preferred Prime Minister would be ??? .. I'm just curious because I have no idea who that might be myself ..

**Banditbandit** · 14th February 2014, 07:51

Originally Posted by phill-k

Regardless of what you think about KimDC, am I the only person concerned that only 4 people knew of Peters visit to KimDC's place and yet the PM knows and not only that he knows the number of times and when asked has stated a person not connected to the National party nor any spy agency or government dept or employ of same, who gives him information from time to time which is usually correct and in this case was supplied the information.

No, you are not alone. That's a major concern ...

Originally Posted by scott411

i have no problems with people's passports being cancelled if they are suspected of going to fight for terrorist organisation,

"Terrorist organisation" is a subjective judgement - I know New Zealanders who went off to Israel to fight for the army and "kill arabs" - did they get their passports revoked ??? Hell no - but I suppose they are fighting for a terrorist country, not just a terrorist organisation ...

The democratically elected Government of Palestine has been branded a "terrorist organisation" by Israel and it's allies ... should we stop people supporting a democratically elected Government ??? How can what the world is demanding (democratic elections) be wrong ???

Originally Posted by Akzle

well duh, but the Jew S of A is owned by israel. So kinda goes without saying...

This could be amusing - owned by Israel and massively in debt to China .. the leader of the free world? Or is that the expensive world ??

Originally Posted by puddytat

The reason Russell Norman went to see KDC for you ignoramuses information, was to plead with him not to start a Party which is more likely to take votes from the Left than the Right.
No conspiracy there.

KdotC is not even close to Green - he's further right than John Key - he's more likely to take votes from the young disaffected right .. which would then place the majority of votes with the Labour block ..

**Katman** · 14th February 2014, 07:51

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

and before you start talking of evidence you will see it is not need to be detained.

Really? Is that the sort of country you want to live in?

**BoristheBiter** · 14th February 2014, 07:53

Originally Posted by phill-k

Hey don't bother replying you obviously are not reading and understanding all I am saying. In a nutshell I do not like the way our country is going, the Government initiated - Key signed the raid off - a raid on a new zealand residents home which was fundamentally illegal, I don't care who the guy is he is a new zealand resident and the government agencies incompetence and inability to get things legally correct will not only cost this country in compensation never mind that the tactics employed did not equal the possible charges, as I've already said We are seeing a slow creeping move on behalf of the state to diminishing NZ citizens rights, I don't expect you to understand that as you have ably demonstrated in your response above that because Kim is a fat german with a lot of money we can treat him anyway we like, he has been convicted and paid his penance for his past crimes, after all our government also granted him his residency and along with it the same rights as I have.

What we now have is a man rightly pissed off, but unlike most of us has the ability to extract his own pound of flesh and he is going to do so, I don't much like the guy, but then once I liked John Key saw him as a new beginning in NZ politics, younger generation about to get rid of the cronyism within his party, 6 years on and he to has become just the same. Look at all the politicians beating a line to kim's door, not for our good but to serve their own self interest. - I'm out of here should have known attempting a rational debate on a situation developing in NZ was pointless, perhaps when Key invokes the same association legislation as Queensland has done and starts stopping motorcyclists purely because two or more are riding together you will begin to understand where I am coming from.

No I do understand, just completely disagree with you.
Other than the other thread, where i just like winding you up by saying "fat german", I have not once said anything about it.
Your past is always used when you are being dealt with.

I think you do need to read up on the difference between a citizen and a resident as that, under the extradition act makes all the difference on what is needed to extradite someone.

Rational debate? could say the same about your "one eyed" responses.

Watched Motorway patrol last night, guys is speeding, driving while disqualified, gets his car impounded and then blames the cop for it and can't see what all the fuss is about and says he has done nothing wrong.
funny how people caught for doing wrong always plead their innocence.

**BoristheBiter** · 14th February 2014, 07:54

Originally Posted by Katman

Really? Is that the sort of country you want to live in?

read comment above.

**oldrider** · 14th February 2014, 08:00

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Umm .. who do you think my preferred Prime Minister would be ??? .. I'm just curious because I have no idea who that might be myself ..

It was just a question? --- He's not mine either but he is better than what else is on offer, unfortunately!

**Banditbandit** · 14th February 2014, 08:04

Originally Posted by oldrider

It was just a question? --- He's not mine either but he is better than what else is on offer, unfortunately!

OK .. so now we know it's a "he" ... do you want to narrow that down even further ??? (I'm starting to think I might prefer Akzle .. he'd be so wasted he wouldn't do a fucking thing .. which would be great - totally minimalist Government - closing in on that Anarchist dream)

**mashman** · 14th February 2014, 08:14

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

Watched Motorway patrol last night, guys is speeding, driving while disqualified, gets his car impounded and then blames the cop for it and can't see what all the fuss is about and says he has done nothing wrong.
funny how people caught for doing wrong always plead their innocence.

Originally Posted by Katman

Really? Is that the sort of country you want to live in?

Yes, I believe he does... coz he's a good little sheep.