Track day crashes!

[Kickaha]

Like I said it needs proper marshalling.

You need to be prepared to pay a lot more for the track day then

[vinducati]

That 's a good approach, plenty of room on track.

[Grubber]

I think that Play Day need to tighten up the passing rules in all classes at HD, excluding the fast group.
You should only be passing around the outside, not anywhere.
The two metre passing rule is not enforced.
Also they need to have more marshalls as a lot of marshall posts are empty.
Also need marshalls on track to keep an eye on the aggressive twits.
I have done about 40 trackdays at HD and the only issue I have had is people charging in underneath at corners, and yes if I see anyone who may be an issue on the hill I wait and pass somewhere else.

May add much to the cost but valid point in a lot of ways.

Racing is generally safer, but not always.
I have seen a horrible accident when a rider with little race time was allowed into a top race field.
The ART days are better policed which I think is important.

Also be aware that is you are a rider who has insurance at a trackday, it may be void if you are in the fast group.
I agree that the medium group can be a bit dodgy but my brother rides in the fast and it has it's fair share of odd riding.
I have also seen an MV Agusta in the slow group cutting people up.
Like I said it needs proper marshalling.

Makes a bit of sense for sure!

[Grubber]

Tis a risk of trackdays unfortunately, that you have zero guarantee of the skill level of the other riders you share the space with at speed. Anyone can turn up, and, wanting to be the big man, say oh yeah, Ive been here and done that, chuck me in xxx group. when in reality, they have fuckall idea what they are doing and are a giant hazard. I love trackdays, but always try to find myself a little space on track, but observing the first session, to see who, out of my group, are a little quicker than me, and who are a little slower than me, then slot in between them at the pit gate before going out on the track. usually means i have lots of space for most of the session.

That's pretty much what i do also.
Find my spot and stick to it. i'm usually just there for a bit of testing or just some fun so no need for me to go hard out. i can do that in a race!

[Grubber]

You need to be prepared to pay a lot more for the track day then

True. Would it be worth it though is the question. What price does one pay for some safety?

[Kickaha]

True. Would it be worth it though is the question. What price does one pay for some safety?

If you were worried about your safety you wouldn't be there in the first place

[nzspokes]

If you were worried about your safety you wouldn't be there in the first place

Or riding a motorcycle.

[Grubber]

If you were worried about your safety you wouldn't be there in the first place

Also true in my world. Others may be different of coarse. Others may still want to do track rides but retain a good safety margin maybe.
I think this is why i posted originally. To see how and what people think as they enter the track world of riding.

[sharp2183]

Have watched the video of the crash in question. The guy should never have passed where he did, and the decision to not let him back is very justifiable in my view. I would say this it was a bit of a brain explosion from the Suzuki rider, but brain explosions can kill people pretty easily.

It sucked for the rider who was not hit but still crashed. It looked like a bad case of target fixation, but at that speed it is difficult not to!

[sil3nt]

Have watched the video of the crash in question. The guy should never have passed where he did, and the decision to not let him back is very justifiable in my view. I would say this it was a bit of a brain explosion from the Suzuki rider, but brain explosions can kill people pretty easily.

It sucked for the rider who was not hit but still crashed. It looked like a bad case of target fixation, but at that speed it is difficult not to!

Is there anyway we can see the video?

[SPP]

... Track days are a little different in my view, it's where people like to have a hoon so to speak and ride home again comparatively safe. It is nailed home at the briefing that they will not tolerate any idiots so to speak and anyone who does do anything stupid will be pulled off the track....

Numpties:
And there we are. Organisers take the same attitude and I'd like to think most people who go to trackdays do as well. There will always be numpties. You get to see who they are and best to try and get some separation but the unfortunate truth is that sometimes you get pulled in to some retards shenanigans. How do racers deal with a dangerous racer?... or is it more a case of all the numpties having been filtered out by that stage?

Riding with racers:
I trust that they can handle there machines so I feel much 'safer' for sure (test days), even when they pass quite close I don't worry much at all. That's good for me but then I don't want to be their problem either so at TDs when there are groups I stay out of theirs.

Passing:
In the med-slow and med-fast group (but less so) there can be a quite a variation in speed, mostly corner speed since everyone is fast in a straight line. If I am passing on a corner I'll try to do it on the outside from entry to apex or inside from apex to exit. I figure it's the most polite way since their attention is to the opposite side and I less likely to startle anybody. Strictly speaking outside is the only place you are allowed to pass so I guess they could *555 me and I'm in for a chat with the marshals. Hasn't happened yet.

Back to your original question:
I go to Track days accepting there is some risk and that honest mistakes can happen. I do draw the line at what I would consider to be blatant stupidity and if I was involved in an incident like that I'd be looking real hard at the dude to do the right thing.

[haydes55]

Why not just have 1 rider on the track at a time if there is no actual race taking place.

The troll has landed...

[nzspokes]

There has to be some responsibility from the overtaking rider. I had one guy in my first track day cut me up twice. I almost went to talk to him about it after but thought better of it. The last one I did this weekend I came up on a rider and thought I could get past before the turn, It took me longer to get there than I thought and would have gone right under her. There was a ton of track space. The rider from the first track day flashed into my mind so I rolled off and sat behind her through the turn.

[nzspokes]

Why not just have 1 rider on the track at a time if there is no actual race taking place.

No helping stupid.

[Voltaire]

I took my race bike that I had just built to Puke a couple of years ago on one of the test days to Puke where you pay $95 and do some testing.....so I thought.

It started off ok, but then became an uncontrolled track day with lots of very fast bikes being ridden amongst slower bikes.

One of the guys testing his Manx Norton went off to " the organisers" and got them to split it into fast and slow.

One guy on a Ducati SS clearly did not like being behind me and gave it some leaving the hairpin and went off the track.

My mate made a comment to one guy about it being " a bit loose" and was told to fuck off if he didn't like it.

Test day: yeah right.

Art Days are well run as is the Superbike School and the race meets I have run at....track days.....er no thanks.