Track day crashes!

[Reckless]

Na was last year, but you gotta be careful, never assume the predictable is predictable at a track day LOL

[vinducati]

I would like to see the trackday team enforcing the rules more strictly.
I have found that if you point out poor riding they will go and talk to them.
I still feel there should only be passing on the outside at all times.
This works well at ART days.
If you can't pass before the sweeper, in the sweeper, on on exit of sweeper, you are not that fast.
But people need to stop being tossers and pretend they are racing.
Those people need to be spotted, spoken to and if needed be removed.

[Brett]

There is one and only one simple rule that has to be followed...the onus is on the overtaking rider to pick the line and do so safely. If there is any doubt, don't act. It's not a race, no points up for grabs. On the track people still make mistakes. HD is a good example of a technical track that can catch any new comer out. The line up the hill and over the hill is a case in point. It's a fast piece of track with limited long distance vis and no run off room. There is that ripple or bump just beforethe right tightens that can unsettle the bike and if you're not ready for it, or inexperienced, it can be alarming and some riders instinctive response to protect themselves is to shut the throttle and even break. Right or wrong, it's how the react and bad news for someone coming up behind them at +60-70kph.
I know that my indicated speeds down the front vary quite a bit over a session. When I first go out, tyres are cold, not in the rythm, I will usually max 230kph. A couple of laps in, tyres are warm, line onto the straight is tight, braking is tight, I will hit 270kph or so. I woudl imagine many riders are similar and then of course some bikes are quicker than others full stop. Basically, there is always potential for a massive difference in speeds between bikes even within the same group. It's the rider who has to pull their head in and make smart choices. That said...it's unrestricted riding on a track, there will always be external risks.

[Grubber]

Well said Frosty. I think a tap on the shoulder at the right time would work wonders. Unfortunately in this case it wasba tad too late. But again, you are right in what you say.

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[SPP]

Got to ask...... Why was the rider in the first half of the video always closing the throttle through the corner? .

I saw that too, first thing I noticed....I think he was lost.

Crack ups. To be fair though it seems to go on forever and is as wide as a runway.

I would like to see the trackday team enforcing the rules more strictly. I have found that if you point out poor riding they will go and talk to them.

I've personally never had to ask a TD marshal to talk to someone or have ever been spoken to by one myself so I'm not sure how angry they get. Playday aren't hacks so I assume they make it very clear when they do pull someone in.

There is one and only one simple rule that has to be followed...the onus is on the overtaking rider to pick the line and do so safely. If there is any doubt, don't act. It's not a race, no points up for grabs. On the track people still make mistakes. HD is a good example of a technical track that can catch any new comer out. The line up the hill and over the hill is a case in point. It's a fast piece of track with limited long distance vis and no run off room. There is that ripple or bump just beforethe right tightens that can unsettle the bike and if you're not ready for it, or inexperienced, it can be alarming and some riders instinctive response to protect themselves is to shut the throttle and even break. Right or wrong, it's how the react and bad news for someone coming up behind them at +60-70kph.
I know that my indicated speeds down the front vary quite a bit over a session. When I first go out, tyres are cold, not in the rythm, I will usually max 230kph. A couple of laps in, tyres are warm, line onto the straight is tight, braking is tight, I will hit 270kph or so. I woudl imagine many riders are similar and then of course some bikes are quicker than others full stop. Basically, there is always potential for a massive difference in speeds between bikes even within the same group. It's the rider who has to pull their head in and make smart choices. That said...it's unrestricted riding on a track, there will always be external risks.

Yeah that's right. Sure TD organizers should police the groups but yes it's simple, don't be a cunt and there's be less to police. That also goes for dudes suffering from the slowness. If there's a log jam behind you at each corner you gotta ask yourself why is that.

I think a tap on the shoulder at the right time would work wonders. Unfortunately in this case it wasba tad too late.

Should do eh. That and a vest of shame. Pink flouro dunce vest for the day.

To be fair I've been lucky and gotten away with some bad decisions and I bet everyone here has.... okay, maybe not that bad but still.

[quickbuck]

Crack ups. To be fair though it seems to go on forever and is as wide as a runway.



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Well actually it makes no difference how long the corner is. Once you have started the turn and slightly opened the throttle you should NEVER close it..... It makes the bike unstable and is the fastest way to crash...


Although we see another way very soon afterwards....





I can only hope the rider learns better throttle control on his next bike.
















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[SPP]

Yep thats what Ive been told too. I should have been a little clearer though, that turn is a wide open double apex. I find it easy to lose where I am and miss the point to check throttle to ome back for the second apex especailly if Im not concentrating. Lots to improve on.

[quickbuck]

Yep thats what Ive been told too. I should have been a little clearer though, that turn is a double apex and I can miss the point to check throttle and come back for the second apex especailly if Im not looking hard enough. Lots to improve on.

Well, I doubt very much that the corner has been changed since I was last there....
You still should enter in such a place where you late apex it.... Right on the end of the rumble strip IIRC.

There is no point loading up the front tyre by closing the throttle.... None at all. It makes the bike pitch, very unstable and for what?

Yup, lots to work on.
The best bit is a course is only $50 thanks to ACC and www.rideforever.co.nz

Much more constructive as making a pile of mistakes on a track day.





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[SPP]

Always keen to learn more, will look into them.

I have css at hd in a couple of weeks too. Im sure theyll have some good suggestions.

[quickbuck]

Always keen to learn more, will look into them.

I have css at hd in a couple of weeks too. Im sure theyll have some good suggestions.

Sweet, they certainly will....
In fact the first lesson alone will help heaps....





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[ckai]

Sweet, they certainly will....
In fact the first lesson alone will help heaps....





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Always keen to learn more, will look into them.

I have css at hd in a couple of weeks too. Im sure theyll have some good suggestions.

Just what I was gonna say

I also think it's gutless of people to be in a group they're clearly too fast for. Who are they kidding?

I wouldn't hesitate to jump up a group of that was the case (highly unlikely) and I'd expect the organisers to pull me aside, tell me I'm moving up, and to see how I go. Not rocket science.

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[Grubber]

Always keen to learn more, will look into them.

I have css at hd in a couple of weeks too. Im sure theyll have some good suggestions.

I've done 3 of their levels and you won't regret it. Gives you a far better understanding of how your bike reacts under different circumstances. Recommend it thoroughly.

[Mental Trousers]

I've personally never had to ask a TD marshal to talk to someone or have ever been spoken to by one myself so I'm not sure how angry they get. Playday aren't hacks so I assume they make it very clear when they do pull someone in.

I have a number of times, always if I've been stuck in a medium group cos the fast group was full.

Usually it's guys on litre bikes (I'm on a 450 triple) that squeeze past me near the end of a straight, cut across in front of me and hit the brakes. They're travelling faster so they brake at least 100m earlier than me, meaning I'm at full throttle when they hit the brakes directly in front of me.

[FROSTY:Me]

Hey guys I get that its all fine and wonderfull to have 20/20 vision on hindsight but I do see where the problem actually started.
The problem started at riders briefing.
When the person giving the brief said to treat the yellow pit lane line at a solid wall.
Had the overtaking rider taken the option to cross that yellow line -with the possible concequence of exclusion or a stern talking to later than the entire conversation would be moot.
Repeating what I posted elsewhere- Rider 1 was 2.0m or more from the right side of track entering a right hand corner.
They then chose to drop across to the right.It was a slight readjustment of line that moved them over dirictly into the path of the overtaking rider. This effectively shut the door on the overtaking rider.
As the lead rider dipped to the right the overtaking rider maintained their line.-THAT is what they did wrong.
Maybee they got target fixated -it happens-but another thought is that the option to dip right was taken away from them
There was a definite option for the overtaking rider to dip more to the right at the same time as the lead rider dipped
There was a tonne of room then to regain his line and carry on.

YES the onus is ALWAYS on the overtaking rider to do so safely. But if the vid isn't doctored then that change of line by the lead rider was the deciding factor.
The second rider who crashed.Im sorry but I just can't see how he crashed.Ive rerun the vid about 15 times now and there was a lot of room before the edge of track then about 2.0m of grass to run on and regain the track.

[vinducati]

I have to disagree, rider 1 was clearly always going to move to the right.
Passing is the responsibility of the overtaking rider, you must maintain a 2 meter gap at all times, he is the only one in the wrong.
Yes he could have crossed the yellow line but this is also very dangerous if a rider up ahead is entering the pits. And at that point on track there may be and he would never have seen him.
Rider 1 had every right to do what he did.
Rider 2 had no right to ride so stupidly.