Future of 125s in NZ?

[oyster]

I guess after 9 years we can spill the beans... He said "Honda are very clever people and the 01 model is excellent out of the box. Don't complicate it with kit gear and all the add ons people tell you are needed. Just set it up as they intended, and PERFECTLY. It's like production racing, you get very good results optimising what you have." He told us what head volume suits our fuel and circuits. After that it's step by step to set jetting and timing. Use the detonation counter, absolutely essential for set up, later to monitor. Critical maintenance is burning out the pipe carbon and shimming the engine mounts EVERY meeting. Dominic only took one win off Midge Smart "'(called midge for a reason, he could tuck in with his elbows in front of knees!) But Midge had some special stuff, spannered full time by one of NZ's best and his bike never really "blew away" the Kev Stevens formula. Boring eh, lesson is: don't dick with it, just set it up well. This bike now has quite a number of NZ titles, and leading the current championship.

[Shaun Harris]

I guess after 9 years we can spill the beans... He said "Honda are very clever people and the 01 model is excellent out of the box. Don't complicate it with kit gear and all the add ons people tell you are needed. Just set it up as they intended, and PERFECTLY. It's like production racing, you get very good results optimising what you have." He told us what head volume suits our fuel and circuits. After that it's step by step to set jetting and timing. Use the detonation counter, absolutely essential for set up, later to monitor. Critical maintenance is burning out the pipe carbon and shimming the engine mounts EVERY meeting. Dominic only took one win off Midge Smart "'(called midge for a reason, he could tuck in with his elbows in front of knees!) But Midge had some special stuff, spannered full time by one of NZ's best and his bike never really "blew away" the Kev Stevens formula. Boring eh, lesson is: don't dick with it, just set it up well. This bike now has quite a number of NZ titles, and leading the current championship.

Got a spare 125 anywhere I could have a go on mate, Im still small enough

[Billy]

Some great info, thoughts and comments on this thread from some very knowledgeable people.
125's are quite a subject it seems.

I have decided to get my boy on one for his next racing step, was undecided until King of Ruapuna round 4.
It was the sound that did it.....oh yea and the smell!

Thanks to all for advice and comments.

Good choice Cliff,

Theres some knowledgeable people in your area re 2 strokes,Have you talked to Stu Holdaway,If you can get him interested he has a wealth of knowledge,But the one piece of advive I would offer is,Pick one of the experienced people AND STICK WITH THEM,Don't be jumping from 1 expert to the next,Nothing pisses them off more,I know who I would run with down there,But its your choice

[oyster]

Got a spare 125 anywhere I could have a go on mate, Im still small enough

I have 3 here, Cam's bike is now never for sale or use. The other two I sponsor young ones on. Scout and angela rode them at Hampton Downs, Barry Sheene event. The one Scout rides is Dom's old one. Do remember that boy feeling down, on that obsolete bike, against a big feild of late model kit. We asked you to have a word with him, a few hours later he put down a '41 and on the podium for the GP title!!!! Yep, come on down for a ride any time. Still have you leathers here.

[Shaun Harris]

I have 3 here, Cam's bike is now never for sale or use. The other two I sponsor young ones on. Scout and angela rode them at Hampton Downs, Barry Sheene event. The one Scout rides is Dom's old one. Do remember that boy feeling down, on that obsolete bike, against a big feild of late model kit. We asked you to have a word with him, a few hours later he put down a '41 and on the podium for the GP title!!!! Yep, come on down for a ride any time. Still have you leathers here.

It was that day with Dom sitting in your guys tent that Proved to me his attitude and spirit was in the correct place Pete, I remember it weell, it blew me away big time!!


Thanks re the 125 ride, I will have to arrange a trip down for the inter series

[bigreddog]

Good choice Cliff,

Theres some knowledgeable people in your area re 2 strokes,Have you talked to Stu Holdaway,If you can get him interested he has a wealth of knowledge,But the one piece of advive I would offer is,Pick one of the experienced people AND STICK WITH THEM,Don't be jumping from 1 expert to the next,Nothing pisses them off more,I know who I would run with down there,But its your choice

Cheers Billy, have spoke with Stu and he has been most helpful.
Lewis is very excited about riding the 125.

[RDjase]

Who is racing in GP125 this Nationals?

[Billy]

Who is racing in GP125 this Nationals?

Can I use my shifter Kart?

Its got an RS125 engine,I know it's got 4 wheels, But it doesn't have suspension which should even things up and I promise not to have all the wheels on the road all the time?

[Kickaha]

Its got an RS125 engine,I know it's got 4 wheels, But it doesn't have suspension which should even things up

It wouldn't even anything up, if it is a good RS125 engine it should beat them all and probably most of the 600 field

[Billy]

It wouldn't even anything up, if it is a good RS125 engine it should beat them all and probably most of the 600 field

Hahaha,

So is that a maybe ???? Don't forget I'm really old and fucked as well

[jasonu]

Hahaha,

So is that a maybe ???? Don't forget I'm really old and fucked as well

Not to mention bitter and twisted...

[Billy]

Not to mention bitter and twisted...

WTF?????

Bitter and twisted as well as sour, Woe is me. FML and all that stuff

[RDjase]

So that makes it three 125s, and a shifter kart for the Nats

Anyone know where a shifter kart minus engine is? A shifter kart and RS bucket coming to my shed shortly with these 125 numbers for Nats

[Bert]

So that makes it three 125s, and a shifter kart for the Nats

Anyone know where a shifter kart minus engine is? A shifter kart and RS bucket coming to my shed shortly with these 125 numbers for Nats

The low numbers are quite disappointing Jase.
We Kinda though that a few more people might have shown interest in 250mx conversions, but no...
It would be a crying shame to see this type of class disappear, but the machines are getting old and no cheap options provided from the factories...

So, what do we have now as a logical progression for riders?
250 -> protwins -> 600s

Starting to like the idea of the restricted 600 class...

[chrisc]

I'm not attending the SI rounds but am tempted on Hampton and Taupo on the RS125. Busy time of year for me so I haven't committed to it yet, I definitely need to re-look at where the hell I'm going to be in March.

I truly believe a F4 bucket is the right starting platform for NZ youth. You get as much track time as you can handle, accelerated racing development and all for barely a sniff of $.
Next step either onto a 250 production or RS125 depending on how long and how well they've done on a bucket.
The 250 proddy in my opinion is the long way around and you're better off getting onto a RS125 because again, there's accelerated learning there.
600s would be a leap from a 250 proddy but I could imagine a reasonable way to go for someone coming off a RS125. No need to go the long way through pro twins if you're a serious rider trying to climb the racing ladder.

Having just jumped onto a RS125 I think the cost for running one is grossly exaggerated. Relative to other bigger bikes they are very affordable and crazy easy to work on. Yes they require some maintenance effort and early advice on how to treat them will go far but this is RACING, not public lawnmower go karting. You could probably do a full top end swap on a RS125 in the time it takes a hyosung to change a rear tire .