NZSBK Round 2 - dispute

[wharfy]

Surely Shaun when there is a formal road closure the road rules don't apply and its like you are on private land. Otherwise similar to what Jay said using your logic the speed limit would be 50km/hr on the street circuits

I am not about to get into the legality of it but I think helmet-less parade laps should not be done - just sends the wrong message - Vic Club meetings you are not allowed to ride anywhere without a helmet - And for that person who saw me do it once (which I now regret just because it is really stupid) - smoking in the pits isn't allowed either

It is a very small risk - but one that can be mitigated (even with a helmet a 50 k crash "could" cause you severe injury ) not many bike racers are that good looking that they need to show their face anyway

[jellywrestler]

Soo....for years (and years and years) helmetless parade laps have been done at Wanganui, all without incident. This is something I am sure you have been involved in in the past, either yourself or your riders.

i don't know the answer but maybe it has something to do with Paeroa being on a state highway and under a different umbrella to the streets of wanganui or maybe wanganui had applied for it within their supplementary regulations as they have before and maybe Paeroa hadn't I think the parade laps are a good thing but as long as someones dotted their tees and crossed thir I's.
Why don't you ask the right people personally what the issue is?

[jellywrestler]

Yeah it was a joke mostly. If another competitor protests another on tech grounds and is found to be wrong AFAIK that competitor has to pay an amount of pingas to the one he protested. Isn't this situation the same or at least very similar?

this protest didn't come from a competitor though

[Shaun Harris]

this protest didn't come from a competitor though

correct, it was started with thourough machine elligabillity checks

[SWERVE]

*STATEMENT*
As the bike owner/builder and team manager I would like to thank everybody who has supported Bailie and the team throughout the appeal process. It has been a very tough time for all involved and those people have stuck by the team no matter what the setbacks. Due process has been carried out and executed in the correct manner in such circumstances. I will not name those supporting us as we have learnt that association can be very detrimental in such cases. However all those people will be thanked personally, and may put themselves forward if they wish.
Most praise must go to Bailie who has handled a very difficult situation with the upmost integrity and dignity. You are a very special young man Bailie…. The team and our sponsors believed in you and you returned that with your commitment and trust. Thank you.
As this will evoke many reactions, and comments for a day or so further details will be issued in due course.

Motorcycling New Zealand Inc
Official Release.
This appeal, arising from the decision to exclude Bailie from the NZSBK round 2 results was heard by the Motorcycling New Zealand Appeal committee on Friday 21st February 2014. The Appeal committee appointed Trevor Heaphy as chair with Errol Conaghan to record proceedings. Jim Doherty was the third member.

The previously submitted documentation for the appeal was presented by Damian Perriton, guardian of Bailie who was also present.

The meeting steward, Bernard Harnett was also present and called one witness, Dale Henley (Norjo Motors), who described the testing undertaken.

Information from the Kawasaki factory, received after the exclusion provided tolerances for the various engine component measurements.

This data showed that the measurements initially used to exclude Bailie are in fact within the manufacturers manufacturing tolerances for the model.

The appeal has been successful and Bailie will be reinstated in the results for the event.

MNZ Appeal Committee.

Trevor Heaphy (Chair)
Errol Conaghan (Secretary)
Jim Doherty

Note: A number of recommendations will be covered in a separate report.

[Crasherfromwayback]

*STATEMENT*

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Congratulations mate. And best of luck to your young star. Sounds like he's a real weapon.

Pete

[Wingnut]

Nice one... Now back to the racing.....................

[Biggles08]

Firstly I must congratulate Bailie also for being a great role model in a very dificult situation. Other people on both sides of this controversy could learn a lot from this fella. Well done!!!

As for the ruling... I would say OEM means that...OEM. No modification is allowed to the production engine at all. Pretty clear cut and I would be very surprised if the appeal committee would uphold an appeal if the engine had been modified at all... even if it was to within the manufacturers specification. They haven't mentioned or not if they believed the engine was modified... so we can only presume they thought it was not.

I would be interested in hearing from the appeal board members regarding if they considered it was deemed acceptable because the compression was within manufacturers guidelines or if it was acceptable because the engine was in fact OEM and had received no 'blue printing.'

Biggles

[Shaun Harris]

maybe there will NOT be an appeal re the appeal on this case, otherwise it is going to cost MNZ a lot of money to fix this. OEM is OEM and no one on the appeal board has the engineering expertise nor the authority to change the meaning of english nor to ignore head line rules for this an other classes already mentioned, " anything not mentioned must remain as is"

Bailie knows how I feel about him as a person and a rider, for me this is all abou eilliminating bike builders/owners that cheat from our sport so as to not cock up a young talented riders future by negative press as in this case, and for the good of all future NZ racers looking to go over seas that find doors closing due to negative history re NZ Ridres.

Some thing I experienced years and years ago when door knocking over seas

[Crasherfromwayback]

OEM is OEM and no one on the appeal board has the engineering expertise

Jim Doherty most certainly does. A true gentleman too. Best thing (well him and Billy) that's ever happened to MNZ.

[Shaun Harris]

Jim Doherty most certainly does. A true gentleman too. Best thing (well him and Billy) that's ever happened to MNZ.

I sit humbly corrected. I guess it is just the true meaning of the english terminolgies that is the issue with the decision then

[Mental Trousers]

It is virtually impossible to say whether a blue printed engine has been modified or whether they just got a whole bunch of parts and matched them up. That's the problem. A blue printed engine is within spec as is the engine built from a big pile of slightly mismatching parts and is an engine straight off the production line.

Trying to stop anything like blue printing is ridiculously expensive. The only way to do it and be sure is for MNZ to own all the engines, seal them and dish them out. That's not going to happen.

Interpretation is not up to us and this result means blue printing is perfectly legal, as it should be.

But, the rules should not need interpretation. For instance saying "only OEM produced parts that are within the manufacturers spec (may be modified to conform)" would completely clear it up.

[Shorty_925]

Trying to stop anything like blue printing is ridiculously expensive. The only way to do it and be sure is for MNZ to own all the engines, seal them and dish them out. That's not going to happen.

Workmate runs a Super Saloon, engines get sent away once a year to some place and sealed, all engines for the catergory and thats what you run for the year.

IF they find anything after that, your gone so he said.

Correct me if Im wrong anyone on above.

[Shaun Harris]

It is virtually impossible to say whether a blue printed engine has been modified or whether they just got a whole bunch of parts and matched them up. That's the problem. A blue printed engine is within spec as is the engine built from a big pile of slightly mismatching parts and is an engine straight off the production line.

Trying to stop anything like blue printing is ridiculously expensive. The only way to do it and be sure is for MNZ to own all the engines, seal them and dish them out. That's not going to happen.

Interpretation is not up to us and this result means blue printing is perfectly legal, as it should be.

But, the rules should not need interpretation. For instance saying "only OEM produced parts that are within the manufacturers spec (may be modified to conform)" would completely clear it up.

go and understand fully what blueprinting means then come back and post away big fulla, as currently you have not even scratched the service of it but love reading your stories anyway

[quickbuck]

go and understand fully what blueprinting means then come back and post away big fulla, as currently you have not even scratched the service of it but love reading your stories anyway

Yup, actually Blue Printing a 250 Production engine would be quiet expensive.... For the gain you might as well just learn to ride better.... After all it is supposed to be essentially Run What Ya Brung racing.... Low cost, competitive and most importantly fun.... I love the class because I don't have to have my bike in pieces between every round...

To be fair though, I do know of one of the top car racers buying up the entire stock of engine internals just to build the perfect engine for his class.... Now that wasn't cheap.... He did get to sell all the unwanted bits off to the competition though, so might have made a dollar or two from the exercise.





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