NZSBK Round 2 - dispute

**Billy** · 6th March 2014, 08:39

Originally Posted by oyster

Don't mess with ellipsis. He lives in the boonies, has had two days of gale force winds, heavy rain, flooding and no power. Yet look at him go!!!!

Yip,

Be scary if he knew what he was talking about,Unfortunately like most,He only retains the info that suits him.

Could have shortened up his post signifcantly just by saying him and his mates are going to take their toys and play by themselves and that in his opinion MNZ are just a bunch of bullies

**Drew** · 6th March 2014, 08:54

I must have missed something because a thread about a single dispute and it's highlighting of a shortfall in the current system, has turned into a bunch of guys saying we should walk away from the body who are trying to fix the shortfall.

Shouldn't we get pissed off and want to walk away, when this isn't done? When a problem is identified, and ignored like.

What is also funny, is that a lot of you blokes who 'know how it should be', are the same as many others who have been on the committee and done nothing but disrupt and confuse issue. Caused countless nightmares, and generally ended up being told to fuck up/off.

Passion tends to be very fucking fleeting, when any sort of bureaucracy is involved. Do you all realise that it's not that easy to change a legal entity? Start over ya say? One, just one of you write up an overview of the new governing body. Something prospective participants/members can mull over and get behind.

Don't half arse it, focusing on one thing in particular because other stuff is too hard or out of your area of experience. Essentially, write a charter for this new club/organisation.

Bet you'll change your fucken tunes if you actually try and do that.

**scrivy** · 6th March 2014, 09:28

Originally Posted by Drew

Bet you'll change your fucken tunes if you actually try and do that.

I nominate DREW as its patron.....

**Shaun Harris** · 6th March 2014, 09:47

Originally Posted by budda

NOT taking the piss or deliberately being a dick Shaun, but I don't think anyone with current, correct info on commercially confidential issues would be stupid enough to post it on here

I sure you HAVE a plan in mind, suggest you contact either Paul S or Jim T directly, so you can get all the information you need, rather than just what you've asked for mate

Good call Cheers.

**Shaun Harris** · 6th March 2014, 11:46

Letter/plan/idea I wrote in 2005 or 6 I think from memory, and posted out to ALL MNZ Road race licence holders at that time>

Road Racing promoter/coordinator

Please take the time to read and respond. Your comments are extremely important and without your feedback it makes it hard to make changes that will benefit our racing and enhance the future of our sport!

I am proposing the motorcycle fraternity Employ our own full time promoter/coordinator, until all responses are returned and sifted through the full job description is not possible to outline here but I will include what I would like to see this person doing.

Job Description

Coordination of all clubs for the race format,and information for riders and communication with MNZ office.
Re Writing the rules.
Promotional work with the media, series sponsors,importers,clubs,MNZ etc.
Negotiations for group bulk purchases for race products making our purchase price lower and already giving us a ROI ( return on investment)- will work for some but not others with full finance backing.

Rome was not built in a day and neither will this be, that is why I started doing this now because there will be a few issues to arrange to make this happen.

WHO TO EMPLOY

I suggest that we nominate 2 rider reps ( Referees) from each class and let this group go through all the resumes too make the choice.

How to pay this person

This is where I need you all to think long and hard about our racing and our sport and what it means to you the competitor/employer

I propose that we all invest $250-00 into this campaign into a holding account, I STILL have a company that will invest $5000-00 into this account if I can secure 100 licence holders to invest in there own passion/future. $250-00 dollars devided by 365 days = .69 cents PER DAY!!!!!!!!!

Here is what we have if this could be arranged.

100 Riders x $250-00 = $25-000 + $5000-00 from UNNAMED company = $30-000

$30-000 paid as a base salary to the coordinator with an agreed % of additional funds bought in from sponsors, this system will allow this person to go and work very hard to grow our sport and top up there salary very well I think.

I realise this may seem to simple but some of the best scemes in the world to date are simple and succesfull, there is no need for this to be difficult.

PLEASE PLEASE take your time to think this through fully before hitting the keys and replying. If this had happened back when I first drafted this plan, we would not be where we are now, so it is up to all of you the owners of our sport to make the required changes to get our sport back on a healthy level again.

# I will reply to questions that I have the awnsers to as soon as I can, or will find the awnsers and reply when I have them, but again please remember this is an idea I thought about for a long time before acting on it, as I could see way back then that we were heading down a path of destruction.

I see this taking at least 12 months to organise proffessionaly, and IF we could nominate ONE WEB SITE and a page for each class on that web site as well as a page for the punters to post in there idea's questions suggestions questions , that make it a lot easier to coordinate, and would like to see people posting in it with there Full real name and or MNZ Licence number.

**FROSTY:Me** · 8th March 2014, 13:29

Just to clarify for a really stupid old bloke. These championships/club series -when did they start to pay the winners thousands of dollars for winning etc?
For fuck sake you lot this is soposed to be FUN.
Sorry guys but all this politicking is doing my head in.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 8th March 2014, 14:15

Originally Posted by FROSTY

For fuck sake you lot this is soposed to be FUN.
Sorry guys but all this politicking is doing my head in.

Whilst that is true...you're obviously forgetting a lot of people have invested a LOT of money in their racing...they tend to take that pretty seriously.

**FROSTY:Me** · 8th March 2014, 16:10

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Whilst that is true...you're obviously forgetting a lot of people have invested a LOT of money in their racing...they tend to take that pretty seriously.

To gain WHAT? a plastic trophy worth $25
hey don't get me wrong -I take racing VERY seriously but why all the politicking.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 8th March 2014, 16:13

Originally Posted by FROSTY

To gain WHAT? a plastic trophy worth $25
.

Well I guess unless you've raced at national level and won something it's a little hard to understand.

**FROSTY:Me** · 9th March 2014, 13:44

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Well I guess unless you've raced at national level and won something it's a little hard to understand.

LIKE i SAID -- for what--to gain a little plastic trophy worth $25.00
Raced at national level -Yep done it a few times
Won a few $25.00 trophys from bike racing --Yep done it.
Mon I think you are missing my point. With the exception of a VERY few young guys who has asperations of international careers we are all in this sport because we love it. We love the racing and we all love to win. THAT is why we keep coming back.
But the aim is a sticker on the front of our bike for a season-the no 1 and a trophy.
So cheating gains you --a $25 plastic trophy.

**jellywrestler** · 10th March 2014, 06:02

Originally Posted by FROSTY

LIKE i SAID -- for what--to gain a little plastic trophy worth $25.00

if this is the only thing holding people back i'm happy to provide $200 pewter trophies if you can guarantee the feilds will double. I'll even do a trophy for passengers, as most seem to think they're didn't earn one so don't give one out for some reason.?