Optimistic sellers

[HenryDorsetCase]

I want this. I love them.

https://auctions.webbs.co.nz/m/lot-d...log%2Fid%2F689

[dangerous]

I want this. I love them.

https://auctions.webbs.co.nz/m/lot-d...log%2Fid%2F689

weirdo... looks like the wizards VW, has no idea which way its ent to go...

[husaberg]

I want this. I love them.

https://auctions.webbs.co.nz/m/lot-d...log%2Fid%2F689

fond memories of Happy ?Days the The bullet front end emblem is all I would like.

[Grumph]

I did and I want this

https://auctions.webbs.co.nz/m/lot-d...log%2Fid%2F689

I'd like to know it's history. Years back - 1970's - a mate of Russell Gillard had that exact combo.
It went on most of the road trials held then.
Haven't seen the outfit or the owner for decades.
How many of them could there be in NZ ?

[jellywrestler]

Looking at that webbs catalogue, one expected price stood out as very optimistic.
The Maserrari - built by G Macrae. The 260M Zephyr single seater went recently down here for about 1/10 of the expected price of this.
A car with a better history and ready to race vs something with little recent history and needing recommissioning.

I suspect they're equating the Macrae name with added value.

Not a bike but IMO wildly optimistic.

the first couple of auctions went, Tom Sturgess of nelson classic bike museum, and another were locking horns and paying silly money, i don't think they sold a single bike in the last bike only auction, a mate paid to have his bikes shipped from timaru, and back, plus more too. he was not happy about it all,

[jellywrestler]

Nah that could have been me. Not being a dick but I have a pretty good knowledge of motorcycles to poke holes in various books I read.

But that is way out of my knowledge base. How many people working in the area, and I mean still working doing that sort of stuff, would know what they are looking at?
I'd be reaching for the closest Google description.

When you're playing with that stuff, and selling stuff on heritage, desireablility you'd expect them to have learned 'advisors' or 'consultants. I just found it odd.

[F5 Dave]

Oh yeah, it is odd, but I think indicative of an aging (retiring experts) workforce, and indeed buyer base.

[jellywrestler]

Oh yeah, it is odd, but I think indicative of an aging (retiring experts) workforce, and indeed buyer base.

retired experts are better, keen on rolling their sleeves up for a short job, pliable with wine maybe? The buyer base is shifting, a few years ago VMX bikes were of a value to people that had one when they were young had to sell, or dreamed of one, now they have chance to go back and relive that, those guys are too old to ride by and large so the next wave just wants a tool to have fun on, doesn't have to be a 1980 XYZ or the first of the prolinks that they dreamed of, and when they dont need to be so picky the market is wider, and cheaper in the end.

[pete376403]

Or there will be those who don't really care much what it is, other than what they can sell it for in a few years will be a good return on what they initially paid for it plus how much they paid to have it restored.

[F5 Dave]

Yeah but the point he is making is amplified by VMX scenario where people have to bail from riding as dirt is punishing to 65 Yr olds and MX earlier.
But Croz will fail to find a Market for top end restoration Z900 very soon as they are big and heavy for a 74yr old.

Younger blokes want a GSXR anyway, so the Z will fall in value.

Ooh, the GSXR stretch makes the bones ache a bit. . .

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yeah but the point he is making is amplified by VMX scenario where people have to bail from riding as dirt is punishing to 65 Yr olds and MX earlier.
But Croz will fail to find a Market for top end restoration Z900 very soon as they are big and heavy for a 74yr old.

Younger blokes want a GSXR anyway, so the Z will fall in value.

Ooh, the GSXR stretch makes the bones ache a bit. . .

Its already happened with Brit bikes.

Plus you can buy a brand new "BSA" or Triumph these days.