This sh**t makes me sick

**_Shrek_** · 30th January 2014, 19:51

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Until we actually DO something about, shit like this will continue and whilst it is easy to blame the actual perpetrator of the attack, we as a society must shoulder some of the blame for standing by and doing nothing.

you have no idea what ya talk'n about kid, & there's no way I'm going to shoulder the blame for this sad arse....

when you have certain departments that stick their nose in where they shouldn't, & then have to stand by & do nothing, & if you do, do some thing!!! you get canned they get to walk

**300weatherby** · 30th January 2014, 19:54

Originally Posted by Rhys

Winchester Super X 308 Win 150gr $2.05 ea.

Seams like a bargain to me.

Nope, as a handloader I would perfer to tailor the round, 110 Vmax (.308), and put it in his thigh, video for the world to see as he bleeds out through a mangled stump, that folks, would be rehabilitation at a cost of around a dollar a round.

**TheDemonLord** · 30th January 2014, 20:23

Originally Posted by _Shrek_

you have no idea what ya talk'n about kid, & there's no way I'm going to shoulder the blame for this sad arse....

when you have certain departments that stick their nose in where they shouldn't, & then have to stand by & do nothing, & if you do, do some thing!!! you get canned they get to walk

Actually I do know what I am talking about,This keeps happening and sure we as a nation will be offended for 5 minutes, but we fail to turn our Anger into Action.

and by Consistently failing to do something to improve the situation, we are culpable.

A very dear friend of mine happens to work in the NZ justice System, in an area that happens to deal a lot with these type of cases (no details, to uphold their anonymity)

The so-called Anti-Smacking Bill has been a help in being able to convict people of Child Abuse, but the Law as it stands is insufficient, the Departments that are meant to help with at risk families are under staffed, under resourced, over worked and have a mountain of Archaic Bureaucracy and out-dated Law in their way.

The rights of Victims can be printed on a single pamphlet, versus the books that deal with prisoner rights.

The whole issue of Child abuse in NZ is a joke, with Dead children the un-funny punch line.

**_Shrek_** · 30th January 2014, 20:53

Originally Posted by _Shrek_

when you have certain departments that stick their nose in where they shouldn't, & then have to stand by & do nothing, & if you do, do some thing!!! you get canned they get to walk

take a look at what I said

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Actually I do know what I am talking about, This keeps happening and sure we as a nation will be offended for 5 minutes, but we fail to turn our Anger into Action.

and by Consistently failing to do something to improve the situation, we are culpable.

A very dear friend of mine happens to work in the NZ justice System, in an area that happens to deal a lot with these type of cases (no details, to uphold their anonymity)

The so-called Anti-Smacking Bill has been a help in being able to convict people of Child Abuse, but the Law as it stands is insufficient, the Departments that are meant to help with at risk families are under staffed, under resourced, over worked and have a mountain of Archaic Bureaucracy and out-dated Law in their way.

The rights of Victims can be printed on a single pamphlet, versus the books that deal with prisoner rights.

The whole issue of Child abuse in NZ is a joke, with Dead children the un-funny punch line.

the anti smacking bill is an absolute joke & has not made a difference to child abuse, it's just stopped a lot of parents from disciplining their kids
I don't disagree with the law being a joke where these dead heads are concerned, but don't tell me I'm to blame or should shoulder any sort of responsibility for theses' losers we all have choice's
as for the rest of the shit you've mentioned above.... you watch to much tv & believe every thing you hear....

**haydes55** · 30th January 2014, 20:57

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Actually I do know what I am talking about,This keeps happening and sure we as a nation will be offended for 5 minutes, but we fail to turn our Anger into Action.

and by Consistently failing to do something to improve the situation, we are culpable.

A very dear friend of mine happens to work in the NZ justice System, in an area that happens to deal a lot with these type of cases (no details, to uphold their anonymity)

The so-called Anti-Smacking Bill has been a help in being able to convict people of Child Abuse, but the Law as it stands is insufficient, the Departments that are meant to help with at risk families are under staffed, under resourced, over worked and have a mountain of Archaic Bureaucracy and out-dated Law in their way.

The rights of Victims can be printed on a single pamphlet, versus the books that deal with prisoner rights.

The whole issue of Child abuse in NZ is a joke, with Dead children the un-funny punch line.

If you believe we aren't acting and can make a difference, why aren't you making the change you think we are all guilty of ignoring?

I'd happily step in to stop abuse or dob in any abuser if I knew. Apart from that I refuse to vote labour. What more can I do to stop abuse? Go vigilante through a poor neighbourhood? Blow up a prison wing? Start a Facebook page?

**_Shrek_** · 30th January 2014, 21:05

Originally Posted by haydes55

I refuse to vote labour. Go vigilante through the neighbourhood?

I like these two

..... had to change it a bit coz it's not just in the poor area's

**TheDemonLord** · 31st January 2014, 07:07

Originally Posted by _Shrek_

the anti smacking bill is an absolute joke & has not made a difference to child abuse, it's just stopped a lot of parents from disciplining their kids

Nope - it has made possible convictions of people who would previously have gotten off under the previous Law. Again - This is information from someone who is directly involved in this area. As of yet, there has not been a case made against a parent who was legitimately disciplining their child.

If you believe we aren't acting and can make a difference, why aren't you making the change you think we are all guilty of ignoring?

I'd happily step in to stop abuse or dob in any abuser if I knew. Apart from that I refuse to vote labour. What more can I do to stop abuse? Go vigilante through a poor neighbourhood? Blow up a prison wing? Start a Facebook page?

For the Same reasons you stated - I would happily get behind a movement, yet one never happens and I neither have the Social, Financial or Political clout to make one happen myself.