Anarchic Wild Child
Hmm .. fascinating ...Originally Posted by The Reibz
As I said, I have respect for those who fought in the wars .. I would point out that those of my relations who fought in WWI and WWII were Māori - None, and I Mean NONE, of my Pākehā ancestors (yes, I have a couple) and relations fought or even joined the army ...
I would die and kill for New Zealand - I would not die and kill for the fuckers from other countries ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
troglodytam extraordinaire
Funny that, none of my pakeha ancestors fought in the wars either, guess it was because they are British.
Just faidin away!
These used to be my own sentiments but by the time such agressors get to our shores it will most likely be too late!
Meanwhile those poor American bastards are taking all the flack so that we don't have to!
Sort of NIMBY factor ... not in my back yard syndrome!
Meanwhile it creates a safe opportunity for us to slag the shit out of the Yanks on KB and blame them for all the worlds problems!
The poor bloody Yank servicemen get shot and maimed all over the world and mainly in defense of freedom for Israel FFS.
The freedom of the rest of the world is only a by product of most of the action especially in the midle East where it's really all about Israel.
Before you argue about that ... read the report in this clip: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-83-page-...ntrols-USA.pdf
It's long but it is very interesting reading and it's history that was made right under your own nose!Read it and judge for your self!
Anarchic Wild Child
Yes - I agree .. fighting for Aotearoa/New Zealand may well take place overseas.
We will never agree on this one ... I do not see any threat to New Zealand .. so I will not fight in American wars ...Meanwhile those poor American bastards are taking all the flack so that we don't have to!
Sort of NIMBY factor ... not in my back yard syndrome!
Meanwhile it creates a safe opportunity for us to slag the shit out of the Yanks on KB and blame them for all the worlds problems!
The poor bloody Yank servicemen get shot and maimed all over the world and mainly in defense of freedom for Israel FFS.
The freedom of the rest of the world is only a by product of most of the action especially in the midle East where it's really all about Israel.
Before you argue about that ... read the report in this clip: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-83-page-...ntrols-USA.pdf
It's long but it is very interesting reading and it's history that was made right under your own nose!
I think the wars in the Middle East are part of the aggression of the USA. It's all about oil .. and not about freedom .. if it was about freedom they would step in a stop Bashar al Assad killing his own people - they would have stepped in the Libya ... and they would haver stepped in ages ago in the Phillipines when Marcos was in power ...
The invasion of Iraq was bullshit - an the invasion of Afghanistan not much better .. It's all about the interests of the USA - especially oil and money ...
(And it's not about Israel either ... that's bullshit too ... sure Israel has issues (they are a terrorist regime) ... but US interests involve keeping the Middle Eastern countries under the hammer .. Israel is a convenient point to do that from ..
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Hardcore Biker
Just out of interest - which New Zealand would you die and kill for? Or more specifically, which values are you prepared to defend unto the death?
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Watchful Old Bird
I suspect te treaty values ;-)
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Just faidin away!
Did you read the Harvard research paper on the Israel lobby?
USA foreign policy is all about Israel first, even at the expense of Americans!
USA war on terror is all about Israeli interests!
USA actually have huge oil reserves of their own unused should they need it but they prefer to use up everyone elses first!
Freedom will only become an issue if the former are lost!
If it was in the (unlikely) interest of USA/Israeli foreign policy to have a war in our back yard we would have it like it or not!
Anarchic Wild Child
I am not sure I understand what you are asking or even that it is relevant ... If you are asking which Imaginary I would kill and die for then my answer is not an Imaginary but the land and the people ...
If you are asking if there are groups who would invade that I might welcome, then the answer is NO, there are not.
ANYONE who tries to invade Aotearoa/New Zealand will be fought off. I don't really care about which values or what values ... This is our country - the argument over values is our internal argument - it is not an argument for overseas people to tell us what we do - anyone who tries to butt in with arms will be fought off ...
This is a similar stance to "I disagree with you completely, but will defend your right to say what you say ..."
If you want a better answer you will need to be more specific ..
No, I'm terribly sorry - I do not subscribe to the idea that the Treaty expresses values and that the values are there to be upheld. That's a very contemporary idea, and I don't agree.
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
No, I haven't read it yet. Our network won't let me see it - so I need to get it some other way.Did you read the Harvard research paper on the Israel lobby?
USA foreign policy is all about Israel first, even at the expense of Americans!
USA war on terror is all about Israeli interests!
USA actually have huge oil reserves of their own unused should they need it but they prefer to use up everyone elses first!
Freedom will only become an issue if the former are lost!
If it was in the (unlikely) interest of USA/Israeli foreign policy to have a war in our back yard we would have it like it or not!
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
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Yeh, you and whose army?
NZ needs allies to ensure its own protection, that is why we fight in their wars, so they would fight in ours.
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
troglodytam extraordinaire
Well the Maori migration pushed out the original peoples here (whom ever you think it was)
the British did it to the Maori,
and now asia is doing it to us.
It's called invasion by stealth.
Anarchic Wild Child
STOP !!!!
NZ needs allies to ensure its own protection, that is why we fight in their wars, so they would fight in ours.
You are suggesting that we kill and maim people in other people's unjust wars on the off chance that sometime in the future the other people will fight for us ???
That is so wrong ..
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Just faidin away!
The actual invaders of the future are here already ... "by invitation" ... thank's to the United Nations and Helen Clark! ... they didn't need old fashioned arms!
Arms will easily be made available when and if they need them!.
Anarchic Wild Child
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
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Who said their wars were unjust? That is why you were asked about values before, pick our allies based on their values, and fight not only for mutual protection, but for a just cause.
"A shark on whiskey is mighty risky, but a shark on beer is a beer engineer" - Tad Ghostal
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