Final Round of Road Race Championships at Manfeild (29 March)

**jellywrestler** · 27th March 2014, 08:21

one race per class on the friday and two each on the saturday and the sunday. Should be a ripper
Weather forecast looking good, more than half the classes dropped lap records last weekend at Taupo so bring it on.

**Dodgy** · 27th March 2014, 09:54

Is there a programme published anywhere to advise times and sequence of events?

**The Chow** · 27th March 2014, 11:59

Originally Posted by Dodgy

Is there a programme published anywhere to advise times and sequence of events?

Try this http://www.mnz.co.nz/docs/default-so...e.pdf?sfvrsn=2

**Shaun Harris** · 27th March 2014, 12:09

Originally Posted by The Chow

Try this http://www.mnz.co.nz/docs/default-so...e.pdf?sfvrsn=2

well done captain

**Shaun Harris** · 28th March 2014, 07:19

Have fun today kids

**rustys** · 30th March 2014, 08:20

Went up yesterday to watch the racing at Manfield, some very good close racing in the F1 class with 8 riders all very close chasing for the lead, which changed several times in both races, also Supersport great to watch again a tight bunch at the front, 250 Production good racing in that class again all close, all a good day.

What i did not like, was seeing some of the bad race control antics, we all go on about saftey but someone here needs a bloody good kick up the arse if you ask me.

The first instance was "Superlight and 125", the Race was still on and the last rider was coming down pit straight to get the checkered flag, and fuck me marshalls were trying to get a bike that was broken down on start line, through the pit lane wall opening, unbelievable !!!!!!.

Second instance Pro twin, checkered flag out riders going through checkered, one rider in midfield pulls into pit lane for some unknown reason, maybe didn't realise it was last lap,thens screams back out again and starts racing through riders on their warm down lap, what the Fuck !!!!!

I always thought that if you happened to be in that situation, ie or because of bike failure, by riding or pushing it down into pit lane and passing the checkered and timing gear on last lap, you still would be timed and finish the race, can someone correct me here.

**Shaun Harris** · 30th March 2014, 08:24

Originally Posted by rustys

Went up yesterday to watch the racing at Manfield, some very good close racing in the F1 class with 8 riders all very close chasing for the lead, which changed several times in both races, also Supersport great to watch again a tight bunch at the front, 250 Production good racing in that class again all close, all a good day.

What i did not like, was seeing some of the bad race control antics, we all go on about saftey but someone here needs a bloody good kick up the arse if you ask me.

The first instance was "Superlight and 125", the Race was still on and the last rider was coming down pit straight to get the checkered flag, and fuck me marshalls were trying to get a bike that was broken down on start line, through the pit lane wall opening, unbelievable !!!!!!.

Second instance Pro twin, checkered flag out riders going through checkered, one rider in midfield pulls into pit lane for some unknown reason, maybe didn't realise it was last lap,thens screams back out again and starts racing through riders on their warm down lap, what the Fuck !!!!!

I always thought that if you happened to be in that situation, ie or because of bike failure, by riding or pushing it down into pit lane and passing the checkered and timing gear on last lap, you still would be timed and finish the race, can someone correct me here.

Not to mention the speed that bike was ridden through pit lane to get back out on the track again, it was as clear as mud on CTAS and shocked me

**oyster** · 1st April 2014, 09:31

Originally Posted by rustys

Went up yesterday to watch the racing at Manfield, some very good close racing in the F1 class with 8 riders all very close chasing for the lead, which changed several times in both races, also Supersport great to watch again a tight bunch at the front, 250 Production good racing in that class again all close, all a good day.

What i did not like, was seeing some of the bad race control antics, we all go on about saftey but someone here needs a bloody good kick up the arse if you ask me.

The first instance was "Superlight and 125", the Race was still on and the last rider was coming down pit straight to get the checkered flag, and fuck me marshalls were trying to get a bike that was broken down on start line, through the pit lane wall opening, unbelievable !!!!!!.

Second instance Pro twin, checkered flag out riders going through checkered, one rider in midfield pulls into pit lane for some unknown reason, maybe didn't realise it was last lap,thens screams back out again and starts racing through riders on their warm down lap, what the Fuck !!!!!

I always thought that if you happened to be in that situation, ie or because of bike failure, by riding or pushing it down into pit lane and passing the checkered and timing gear on last lap, you still would be timed and finish the race, can someone correct me here.

Just about every meeting I've attended or watched on video recently are littered with incidents as you describe. The tragedy is not so much they've happened, it's that no one recognises the importance of acting on them. There are big fat books on managing safety in industry, but one punchline reads "for every major accident there are ten near misses, a hundred occasions with most of the "ingredients"" What this is saying is that for EVERY major accident in our sport, there are 10 -100 occasions where the signs of imminent disaster are visible in advance. What this is also saying is, if you see nine, then stay at home after that, you won't like what you see next.. The answer? It's obvious, more people like you need to put their hands up and say what they've seen is not acceptable.

**RobGassit** · 1st April 2014, 15:53

I know for a fact that one of these matters was investigated fully and dealt with appropriately. I have no doubt Ctas viewers and spectators may well feel they are the only people to ever observe such matters, but there were many officials present and they did their job. I didn't see the KiwiBiker official there at any time during the weekend.

**rustys** · 1st April 2014, 16:23

Originally Posted by RobGassit

I know for a fact that one of these matters was investigated fully and dealt with appropriately. I have no doubt Ctas viewers and spectators may well feel they are the only people to ever observe such matters, but there were many officials present and they did their job. I didn't see the KiwiBiker official there at any time during the weekend.

Still do not aggree with above, what i saw as a Racer myself was sheer!!! EXCESSIVE SPEED well above the limit going through pit lane, i also believe it was unnessasary to complete the lap, as the timing gear is also timing on the pit wall side, as per one of my questions i have already asked about, if i was a rider completing my warm down lap i would be dammed pissed off and horrified if a rider came through at RACE PACE, that is down right stupid and dangerous, both these issiues have always been lectured at riders briefing before, its to late for officials to do their job when someone is hurt.

**Shaun Harris** · 1st April 2014, 16:45

Originally Posted by rustys

Still do not aggree with above, what i saw as a Racer myself was sheer!!! EXCESSIVE SPEED well above the limit going through pit lane, i also believe it was unnessasary to complete the lap, as the timing gear is also timing on the pit wall side, as per one of my questions i have already asked about, if i was a rider completing my warm down lap i would be dammed pissed off and horrified if a rider came through at RACE PACE, that is down right stupid and dangerous, both these issiues have always been lectured at riders briefing before, its to late for officials to do their job when someone is hurt.

His speed through the pits did look very bad mate on Ctas

**RobGassit** · 1st April 2014, 19:34

Originally Posted by rustys

Still do not aggree with above, what i saw as a Racer myself was sheer!!! EXCESSIVE SPEED well above the limit going through pit lane, i also believe it was unnessasary to complete the lap, as the timing gear is also timing on the pit wall side, as per one of my questions i have already asked about, if i was a rider completing my warm down lap i would be dammed pissed off and horrified if a rider came through at RACE PACE, that is down right stupid and dangerous, both these issiues have always been lectured at riders briefing before, its to late for officials to do their job when someone is hurt.

As I have already said, it's been dealt with.

**Biggles08** · 3rd April 2014, 17:47

Originally Posted by rustys

I always thought that if you happened to be in that situation, ie or because of bike failure, by riding or pushing it down into pit lane and passing the checkered and timing gear on last lap, you still would be timed and finish the race, can someone correct me here.

Rule 6.17.5 will answer that question in most part. In short, no you haven't finished the race unless you have passed through the chequered flag, hence the riders "in the heat of the moment" bad decision to go around for another lap.

**jellywrestler** · 3rd April 2014, 18:57

Originally Posted by Biggles08

Rule 6.17.5 will answer that question in most part. In short, no you haven't finished the race unless you have passed through the chequered flag, hence the riders "in the heat of the moment" bad decision to go around for another lap.

some years ago chris haldane crashed at turn one at manfeild in the last lap of a 45 min sports production race on the long track, he remounted and rode thirteen corners and instead of pitting to get scrutinneered he continued on 45 meters through a straight line and the start finish.
they ruled that the finish line also extended through pit lane and he should've gone through and would have still finished and won the race...

**RobGassit** · 3rd April 2014, 19:27

Originally Posted by Biggles08

Rule 6.17.5 will answer that question in most part. In short, no you haven't finished the race unless you have passed through the chequered flag, hence the riders "in the heat of the moment" bad decision to go around for another lap.

"Bad Decision" is your interpretation, and bears no relation to the facts. And I expect a riders representative to be a mediator, not judgemental.
In reality, the rider was entitled to re enter the course as they had not crossed the finish line. They continued thru the pits at 40kph, rejoined safely, finished the race in a safe manner with all due care and attention to other riders. After a meeting with the steward,who had consulted other officials in pit lane, this was confirmed to have been the Facts. In dispute was whether the rider had crossed the finish line while going thru the pits, as the transponder had been triggered. It was the stewards decision that they had not. Therefore the rider finished 12th instead of 5th.I dispute vigorously any suggestion this rider put anyone else at risk, while trying to complete a competition they had invested 6 months and countless dollars to compete in.

In any event, the matter was dealt with professionally at the time, and it shone light on some irregularities in the rule book, which hopefully will be helpful in the future.