Should I piss him off?

**ManDownUnder** · 30th August 2005, 10:19

Originally Posted by placidfemme

Well I've just spoken to the Marketing Director, and explained to him what my boss wanted me to do, explained my current workload, pointed out the OSH issues of the task I was asked to do, and also pointed out that this was outside the lines of my job description and he agreed with me, said I didn't have to do it, and that he had more advertising for me to do today, so he couldn't afford for me to being doing trivel (sp) stuff that our team leaders should be doing...

*now waits for the wrath when my boss gets in*

Good luck and good on ya for standing up for yourself. As has been mentioned, now would be a good time to look for other work if this issue is serious enough, and if not... no worries.

All you did was reverify your priorities and spell out some concerns you have with the job at hand.

Would your boss prefer you to go through your day without thinking?

All good, and no - not your problem.
MDU

**enigma51** · 30th August 2005, 10:21

Originally Posted by placidfemme

Well I've just spoken to the Marketing Director, and explained to him what my boss wanted me to do, explained my current workload, pointed out the OSH issues of the task I was asked to do, and also pointed out that this was outside the lines of my job description and he agreed with me, said I didn't have to do it, and that he had more advertising for me to do today, so he couldn't afford for me to being doing trivel (sp) stuff that our team leaders should be doing...

*now waits for the wrath when my boss gets in*

Good on you

**Lou Girardin** · 30th August 2005, 10:24

Taking sick leave is NOT abandonment of employment.
Standing on a chair is NOT a safe work practice.
Working for wankers is NOT good for your mental health.

**Wolf** · 30th August 2005, 10:26

Originally Posted by placidfemme

and he said "don't try to get out of work just because you have a hangover". ...
and he said "don't lie, your not going home". I called up HR and told him what was happening and asked what would happen if I just got up and left... he said "thats abandament (sp) of job", however, HR did come up and seeing me almost in tears, totally pale and almost unable to stand up... said I could leave... and yes my boss gave me shit for over a week for going over his head to HR... that was last year some time, and he still throws it in my face now and then...

Unwarranted accusations are clear cut grounds for a Personal Grievance - lodged through your HR. He has no right to make such accusations, especially not when attempting to shift the blame from the solvents he expected you to use. Likewise, his "punishment" routine and the way he keeps bringing it up are grounds for further PGs.

If I were in that situation, I would not hesitate to go to HR and initiate a Personal Grievance - seeing as how you have already tried talking to him about it and gotten nowhere (except accusations against you), you have already done all you can to remedy the situation.

PG would lead to mediation (independant mediator, not employed by the company, both parties may bring a support person) and a written code of conduct to which both parties must adhere.

**Wolf** · 30th August 2005, 10:32

Originally Posted by placidfemme

Well I've just spoken to the Marketing Director, and explained to him what my boss wanted me to do, explained my current workload, pointed out the OSH issues of the task I was asked to do, and also pointed out that this was outside the lines of my job description and he agreed with me, said I didn't have to do it, and that he had more advertising for me to do today, so he couldn't afford for me to being doing trivel (sp) stuff that our team leaders should be doing...

*now waits for the wrath when my boss gets in*

Don't forget to write the wrath down

"Anything you say may be taken down and used in evidence..."

Good on you.

Personally, I'd take the bastard to the cleaners with HR, Personal Grievance procedures and such. If he tried to sack you, the Employment Tribunal would land on him like a ton of bricks.

**Lias** · 30th August 2005, 10:50

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

Working for wankers is NOT good for your mental health.

That explains some of your colleagues prozac prescriptions

(PT)

**mikey** · 30th August 2005, 11:03

if you got your ass off kiwibiker youd have plenty of time to do everything!

**placidfemme** · 30th August 2005, 11:10

Originally Posted by mikey

if you got your ass off kiwibiker youd have plenty of time to do everything!

what and miss talking to sarcastic people like yourself... never!

**mikey** · 30th August 2005, 11:20

come on, its meths, not nuclear waste your dealing with, you probably wear perfume thats stronger,

harden up you lot. an who gives a fuck if its in your contract or not, does every little thing have to be spelled out in your contract before you do it, employees got way to many rights in nz!

**oldrider** · 30th August 2005, 11:21

Sorry motu they do have a contract in the eyes of the law (Employment law). A verbal agreement is a contract. What the relationship stands on is your personal "mana". This respect they have for you as their leader becomes the basis of the comfort zone of the "Employment relationship". I suspect your strength of character and work skills carry the day.

Placidfemme, you have a written "contract" but no relationship. Your boss is right but he's a twat and so is his boss. Whatever he asks you to do has to be safe for you to do it and you must be "proven" to be competent to be able to do it. (Documented and certificated). You have two choices, do something about it or go somewhere where you are appreciated. Either option will have a lot of difficulties. Are you really mature enough to tough it out and fight it (to the end) or will you slink off into oblivion. If you choose the latter remember there will be no pay between jobs. If you are being honest about this you have a winable case. I could help you but I am too far away. Get some one who can. Do something or your heath will suffer. Work is a third of your day it is a time to enjoy and be productive. Are you sure you are not just pissing about and are worth employing? ask yourself that and be honest with yourself before you do anything. Cheers John.

**ManDownUnder** · 30th August 2005, 11:27

Originally Posted by Wolf

Placidfemme, you are worth too much to endure that sort of shit.

HELL YES!

Originally Posted by Wolf

If you go over his head and he gives you Hell for the next week, document everything and hand it straight back up to his superior. It sounds like you are heading towards a point where mediation or Employment Tribunal action may be called for - do not fool yourself, what is happening is serious: you are being bullied and coerced and he is using bullying tactics to attempt to dissuade you to stand up for yourself (giving you grief for a week for going over his head is "controlling behaviour") he is clearly breaking Labour laws by failing to take yor health and safety into account (the problems you have reaching the board, and the issues you have with the meths fumes) and using the aforementioned bullying.

Tell him firmly but politely "No", stating your reasons - not in your JD, injurous to your health etc and if he throws a tantrum, write out a full incident report covering what he has asked you to do, your grounds for refusal and his subsequent attempts to intimidate you into submission and send the written report to his boss. Then it becomes official. They will have to take action. He will then probably give you more shit. Stay firm, write it down and give the reports to his boss.

Look after yourself, you're the only "you" you've got. Remember, you're worth too much to put up with abuse.

I'd only add one thing to this - put HR on blind cc of anything you put in writing - a complete record is needed...

**Lou Girardin** · 30th August 2005, 11:30

Originally Posted by mikey

come on, its meths, not nuclear waste your dealing with, you probably wear perfume thats stronger,

harden up you lot. an who gives a fuck if its in your contract or not, does every little thing have to be spelled out in your contract before you do it, employees got way to many rights in nz!

This has been an ACT party political broadcast.

**Wolf** · 30th August 2005, 11:34

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

This has been an ACT party political broadcast.

Can't give you rep unless I spread some around first (by which time I've forgotten which posts I wanted to apply rep to.)

**placidfemme** · 30th August 2005, 12:03

Originally Posted by mikey

come on, its meths, not nuclear waste your dealing with, you probably wear perfume thats stronger,

harden up you lot. an who gives a fuck if its in your contract or not, does every little thing have to be spelled out in your contract before you do it, employees got way to many rights in nz!

If it gives me migranes I won't harden up, if I'm already working 11+ hours a day, Mon - Sat doing 4 people jobs on one persons pay then I will fucking complain, if you don't like how many rights we have in nz then piss off and move to some 3rd world country more suited to your type

**zadok** · 30th August 2005, 12:07

Originally Posted by placidfemme

If it gives me migranes I won't harden up, if I'm already working 11+ hours a day, Mon - Sat doing 4 people jobs on one persons pay then I will fucking complain, if you don't like how many rights we have in nz then piss off and move to some 3rd world country more suited to your type

You tell him. He probably doesn't know much about work; 19 and supported by 'Auntie Helen'!