Proposed rule changes

[budda]

Spelling and grammar.



Firstly I think this rule means "starter's control" as in the starter is in ownership of control. The way this rule current reads is there are many starters and something about control, the sentence is actually wrong.

Assuming you're clever enough to work this out (or dumb enough to not know the difference) if you take the literal meaning of this rule, then you are only under the [starter's] control for the instant that the flag is at the side of the track, while the flag is off the track, in the middle of the track, above the track, below the track or travelling though India is not stipulated.

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[budda]

i think we've found a volunteer to proof read the next edition of the rulebook......

Already got his hand up to be the next Commissioner if memory serves me correctly ...........

[Dave-]

i think we've found a volunteer to proof read the next edition of the rulebook......

I already offered to proof read all new rules (including the last set) then to work my way through the whole document.

I'm still waiting to hear back from the Party Planning Committee Alliance of Magicians [strike]E.Q.C[strike] some rule making committee which was a sub committee of a sub committee.

But seriously I've got another year of university then I'm pretty interested in actually taking on a role in MNZ at that time. It was then that I intend to push home with the typos, spelling and grammar. If we could get the 2014 rules proof read that would be awesome, as someone who writes 50-100 reports a year I understand how things like starters and starter's can be overlooked which is why I'm offering.

I'll put my proposal here through the proper channels as Billy prefers in a more formal manner.

I just want to say I think MNZ do a spectacular job of organisation and I know Billy deals with a lot of stress, the guy is like a guitar string on caffeine. Hard working, I like that.

Commission Code : F.F.S.W.A.K.P

Just spotted this, can you clarify?

Some guesses

For Fuck Sake Walk A Kangaroo Pal?
Find Fred's Sandwich With Any King's Poodle
Forward Folding Stairs Which Almost Kart People
Frank Field Sits Watching A Kakapo Poo

Also this website was fun:
http://acromaker.com/FFSWAKP

[Robert Taylor]

At no time did I mention an emotive term ''chequebook racing''. But I do genuinely feel that from certain circles that there are vibes that those who want a more professional image ( which does inevitably entail more cost ) are not so welcome.

Until that mentality becomes less than mainstream the sport will continue to be at the level that it is. There are plenty of sporting codes all vying for the same finite sponsorship dollars and by nature sponsors will go where there is the best coverage and return. Clearly its not NZ road racing with all of its inbuilt prejudices and mindsets.

Distributors are not so keen to inject money at previous levels because often they are getting ripped by those who think its their right to not be respectful that there are limits and that the true ownership of parts etc ( that often get sold off for cash etc ) belongs to the distributor. Dont challenge me on that. I know who has ripped who in past years and its not pretty.

[Grumph]

Already got his hand up to be the next Commissioner if memory serves me correctly ...........

Ah, yes, sorry i gave an opening......

Robert, I'd point out that robbing sponsors has a very long history - i can quote you examples going back to the 50's. in some cases it made the difference between eating or not....And in the main the distributors wore it as most realised what the circumstances were.

Since the 80's though I'd suggest that profit margins have got smaller - and yes, it has had to be tightened up. Doesn't excuse it i know but it does go some way to explaining it. I've been ripped off myself as have various people and businesses I've partnered with - which is one reason I'm a poor old cunt...

As I see it, we've got pretty good support at grass roots level still, but the jump to riding at National level is seen as being too big or expensive....and i'm fucked if I see an easy answer.

[scracha]

Lotta the old geezers on here spout on about not dumbing down racing and then in the next breath spout on about the good old proddy racing days.



Just sayin ....

[GD66]

Well said oh great Budda . Fuck falling crowd attendance

Get used to it , the sport is a nothing world wide with the possible exception of a few notable events.

My opinion stop the dumbing down and restrictions and throw it open , get back to where guys can build and race what ever they like .... Only restriction capacity.

Good call, Ian !



It wasn't always a nothing, even in NZ...

[Henk]

Ah yes the good old days.
Back when motorcycles were primarily a form of transport and not a hobby and therefore joe average punter was more likely to have at least some exposure to them in the first place.

[suzuki21]

While its only MY opinion and is not necessarily what will happen,

I fully agree with Scrivy on this and before we have to endure more propaganda surrounding crowd attendance,Or lack there of,Who would have thought Paeroa would be down on attendees,I mean there was only the league 9s,Eminem concert and lantern festival going on in AK this weekend,But that wouldn't affect it at all aye? Furthermore,Following the GP at Ruapuna earlier this year,It was discovered the gate take was down around 40%,Further investigation uncovered that the speedway and horse race meetings were suffering similar drops in attendance,So I guess its not just a motorsport thing either.

What really grates my gears are the people that post on these threads who either lack the ability or confidence to compete at National level and yet they expect the general public to rush along to watch 6-8 bikes waddle around on a mostly empty track,Why would they?What happened to the old Kiwi "Give it a go" attitude? Point is,You can make the classes whatever you want,But if theres limited competitors,Then theres not much to get the interest of the general public...Is there


There has to be a burger in the box(Fur,Chicken or otherwise) and at the moment ours appears to have little filling,Its the same old people turning up year in AND you don't see them complaining on these websites,Best attitude I have encountered is John Ross,His attitude is "I don't care where,when or what we race,Somebody has to win and I want to be that person" Until more of the whingers have that same approach and expect everything to arranged in a way that somehow allows them to be competitive,Things are not going to improve.

Well said Billy. I am a racing enthusiast as you know, but I cant be bothered going to watch 3 bikes with big gaps between them and another 5 bikes riding around. Who would have thought Paeroa would be down on attendance? Um, me. Why would people drive for a couple of hours to watch what in essence is now a club meeting with dodgy safety, and lasts half a day. Racing has gone past the point where manufacturers have wads of money, and people can finance to buy a ride. Racing needs to be affordable. Sloan mentioned he could do the nationals for 30k, well sorry chop but if you can do it for that you either stole a bike, have really bad accountancy skills, or cant be paying bills.

[Shaun Harris]

At no time did I mention an emotive term ''chequebook racing''. But I do genuinely feel that from certain circles that there are vibes that those who want a more professional image ( which does inevitably entail more cost ) are not so welcome.

Until that mentality becomes less than mainstream the sport will continue to be at the level that it is. There are plenty of sporting codes all vying for the same finite sponsorship dollars and by nature sponsors will go where there is the best coverage and return. Clearly its not NZ road racing with all of its inbuilt prejudices and mindsets.

Distributors are not so keen to inject money at previous levels because often they are getting ripped by those who think its their right to not be respectful that there are limits and that the true ownership of parts etc ( that often get sold off for cash etc ) belongs to the distributor. Dont challenge me on that. I know who has ripped who in past years and its not pretty.

Welcome Welcome Welcome mate.

You need to be currently making money to continue spending money on marketing (racing)? or have a brilliant biz plan written up and detailed that displays the plans path to achieve this luxury to justify doing it.


When power went out in Auckland City for bit, Portable generators were transported in and placed to power all back up again, so the spuds got cooked. 1980 Generators/suspenion/electronics/tyres/ ERROL conigan or how ever it is spealt? bla bla were crap compared to today but it worked!
OK yes lots have changed " but again '' It worked.

Our current racing programme and rules work, finance involved does not simply so some thing needs (DD-Your dam words haha) and I am really looking forward to reading Choppa;s tyre allocation limit plan for SB and HOT RODDED 600z) - IF ( Shocking word) you also raced on STANDARD suspension apart from oil level - amount -weight and springs and spacers- ( just idea's) a 12 month budget is a heck of lot more entertaining. Now brake the $ amount down to a daily SAVING per x 365 days is not a bad figure and is more managable to stretch your poorly apprentise or what ever wage down too due to other commitments.

600Z with full race exhausts and electrics ( ECU + LOOM) Motor work and cams and the above, FUCK ME ( Just had to) divided by x days = stupid stupid over heads in today's climate! We are not going to die, we just need to retrench for a bit to gather. SBKS are what they are, but do not NEED to be for a while ( IF ) ever to the current build spec costings.

A Cheaper game with the draw card of ours, WILL always be played more with boys with petrol in there veins that can stretch to it comfortably rather than adding the bull shit finance stress that comes with current enviroment.

You know and any one else on here that knows me also know's that I am a huge fan of the best equipment for racing and here is that word again ( BUT) No $ = No racing. Get back to basics in the trenches and re guide the mass to able to march forward and hey ho presto, there comes the technology introduction again as the show grows.

It needs time out from all ( or as many over heads ) as possible to re build and direct forward. YEP we could go into crashes from crap tyres and crap suspension etc , but you only need to go faster than the bike leading at the moment by 50mm to WIN ( Fuk the lap record) and you are all on the same basically and hugely cheaper.

Competition not technology not finance not contacts is where our sport comes from, how about a 3 year plan of pure PRODUCTIUON 600+1000zzz being just that? 2-3 years from now with some of the current young hot shots on these bikes as well as some older add ins ie club scene fun competitors- locals, and then re visit the rules along with the economy.

BASICS Welcome Welcome Welcome also I say to re build and grow!

Going for a ROOT now, Had rather a CONSTRUCTIVE day

[jellywrestler]

Going for a ROOT now, Had rather a CONSTRUCTIVE day

careful out there, i think the thistles are at their worst this time of the year so don't step on any...

[Shaun Harris]

careful out there, i think the thistles are at their worst this time of the year so don't step on any...

haha just put the Gumboots on

[scracha]

haha just put the Gumboots on

Hope the sheep can outrun you then

[sharp2183]

Guys, I'm just a lowly club racer but I kinda see the point of stock only classes. I listen to this 'aftermarket suspension makes it safer/better' talk and I just keep thinking to myself:

If no one had it, then how would the sport be any worse? Better suspension simply extends the limits of the bike. Scale back the suspension level and the bike doesn't get more dangerous, it just gets more dangerous to go the speed you did before. The best riders will test those limits, and everyone would soon adjust to them. Look at the Hyosung guys in the Auckland comp. Would they go faster with purpose built Ohlins suspension? Yes, most likely. But would the racing be any better? Probably not, as the best would still win, but the field would be more spread out/thinner due to budget restrictions.


The other argument is that 'superbike/supersport is the (insert more appropriate word if you like) premier class in NZ, so it should be an expensive/high tech environment'. Now don't get me wrong, I have a huge amount of respect for the fast guys who have balls and skills I'll never have, but I cant help thinking that people lose sight that its not MotoGP/WSBK. Who cares if you are 1 or 2 seconds a lap slower than you were with 15 more HP and $6000 of ohlins suspension that needs a technician to adjust it every time someone looks at it? Id rather see (and participate) in close racing throughout the field, with more people competing because the costs are lower. And as a spectator, I couldn't give a flying fuck about the lap time itself, I just wanna know how much faster is than the person that comes second, and watch some good racing. That's what would make me pay an entry fee, or watch online (big ups to CTAS).

Racing is amazing fun, but when you are broke and struggling to make ends meet, is an extra second or 3 a lap really worth it? What if you could be financially stable AND know that your bike is competitive? Wow, the possibilities...

[CHOPPA]

Well said Billy. I am a racing enthusiast as you know, but I cant be bothered going to watch 3 bikes with big gaps between them and another 5 bikes riding around. Who would have thought Paeroa would be down on attendance? Um, me. Why would people drive for a couple of hours to watch what in essence is now a club meeting with dodgy safety, and lasts half a day. Racing has gone past the point where manufacturers have wads of money, and people can finance to buy a ride. Racing needs to be affordable. Sloan mentioned he could do the nationals for 30k, well sorry chop but if you can do it for that you either stole a bike, have really bad accountancy skills, or cant be paying bills.

Im saying I could get the results I listed on that budget and that includes buying a bike so essentially it could be done on 15-20k because a bike capable of getting those results could easily be purchased for 10-15k.