Proposed rule changes

[Shaun Harris]

Well something's gotta change Shaun. Manufacturers, disti's and sponsors are hardly tripping over themselves to throw money at the sport. Most new potential racers are put off at the prospect of spending 60K+ PA on a niche sport with fuck all coverage in little old eNZed. The few racers that proceed are largely forced out by their credit card company after a year or two. Yes, motorcycle racing is expensive but it needn't be unnecessarily so. The fact that the pointy end of the field is largely comprised of dad's army speaks volumes.

1 x Mobile dyno + scales vs every rider spending stupid amounts every year. Hmmm...lets mull over that.

Std suspension...riders will adapt their style, conserve their tyres during racing and perhaps choose compounds that last a bit longer.

good reasoning man. Lets hang in there till Billy posts in the very near future re plans/idea's

[CHOPPA]

Well something's gotta change Shaun. Manufacturers, disti's and sponsors are hardly tripping over themselves to throw money at the sport. Most new potential racers are put off at the prospect of spending 60K+ PA on a niche sport with fuck all coverage in little old eNZed. The few racers that proceed are largely forced out by their credit card company after a year or two. Yes, motorcycle racing is expensive but it needn't be unnecessarily so. The fact that the pointy end of the field is largely comprised of dad's army speaks volumes.

1 x Mobile dyno + scales vs every rider spending stupid amounts every year. Hmmm...lets mull over that.

Std suspension...riders will adapt their style, conserve their tyres during racing and perhaps choose compounds that last a bit longer.

That sounds like BS to me.

I thought about requesting a rule change for a limit on tyres as this is what the most expensive part is but I figured thats not really a rule that would be more to do with supp regs??

[CHOPPA]

For 30k I could purchase a superbike race the entire winter series, win and then the entire national series and get top 10. If there was a limit on tyres I think possibly do even better than top 10 on that budget. The second season could be done for 15 - 20k.

[Shaun Harris]

That sounds like BS to me.

I thought about requesting a rule change for a limit on tyres as this is what the most expensive part is but I figured thats not really a rule that would be more to do with supp regs??

Rules mate, NOT sub regs! geta writing

[CHOPPA]

Rules mate, NOT sub regs! geta writing

Problem is I need to know the sup regs regarding amount of races and length of races before I can put together a realistic tyre limit proposal..

[Shaun Harris]

Problem is I need to know the sup regs regarding amount of races and length of races before I can put together a realistic tyre limit proposal..

base it on the amount of races for the current season, after all it is only an idea you would be putting forward to get discussion going on it. It would not guarantee the changes you suggest.

[Billy]

True that, forgot about being a cheating cheater

Okely Dokely...Now I'm confused!!!!

Who is...You...Me...Both

Or none of the above ????

[Billy]

Rules mate, NOT sub regs! geta writing

Problem is I need to know the sup regs regarding amount of races and length of races before I can put together a realistic tyre limit proposal..

Nope,It's definitely supp regs for the National series only.

[Shaun Harris]

Nope,It's definitely supp regs for the National series only.

Im good at being wrong eh, sorry chop

[malcy25]

as they will need to be discussed between myself and a group of people I have set up to consider whether they are to be displayed on the MNZ website as proposed changes.

Billy, given that MNZ is a democratic organisation, why do we have this step?

I could imagine this step for removal of duplicates etc, but shouldn't the voting public (ie the members, who JT has told me numerous times now ARE MNZ) get to see these, good and bad? One may be a bad suggestion as it stands, but it may go from sow's ear to silk purse with thought from someone else. The sort of process that the MNZ conference used to provide.

Serious question, not taking the piss or trying to be sarcastic or pointed.

[gammaguy]

Oh yeah.....Like 250 Production only bigger,Where will we get all the personel to catch the cheats????

as if that would happen...

[Billy]

Billy, given that MNZ is a democratic organisation, why do we have this step?

I could imagine this step for removal of duplicates etc, but shouldn't the voting public (ie the members, who JT has told me numerous times now ARE MNZ) get to see these, good and bad? One may be a bad suggestion as it stands, but it may go from sow's ear to silk purse with thought from someone else. The sort of process that the MNZ conference used to provide.

Serious question, not taking the piss or trying to be sarcastic or pointed.

Good question,

That is how it was operating when I took over and I have continued on as it was,In most cases,They do just go straight up on the website for submissions from the members,But there are times when if I'm not sure or I have a conflict of interest,I will move it on for others for advice,Very seldom do they not go straight up,The only reason I have pushed this a bit earlier this year is because the date for having them on the website coincides with the last 2 rounds of NZSBK and it was a bit of a scramble last year and some folks missed out because they hadn't been aware of the deadlines,This year I have been more proactive with getting it out there AND in particular to those that missed out last year.

A good example of this is,This year I have a club from the South Island who want to make some changes to both Classic and Post classics,But I will run these past two relevant associations first.Hope this clears it up in some way for you.

[suzuki21]

Dyno run means nothing anyway,Unless as youve stated it's done right there and then AND under the supervision of the Steward and Clerk of Course,You like myself and MANY others know how easy it is to lose power on a fuel injected machine given 10 minutes alone,A zero or rich map will take of a good percentage or even a lump of rag over the air intake

An Australian Superbike after winning a race a few years back suddenly struggled to idle and put out a healthy 90hp. Hoorah for hidden map switches.

[Grumph]

Good question,

That is how it was operating when I took over and I have continued on as it was,In most cases,They do just go straight up on the website for submissions from the members,But there are times when if I'm not sure or I have a conflict of interest,I will move it on for others for advice,Very seldom do they not go straight up,The only reason I have pushed this a bit earlier this year is because the date for having them on the website coincides with the last 2 rounds of NZSBK and it was a bit of a scramble last year and some folks missed out because they hadn't been aware of the deadlines,This year I have been more proactive with getting it out there AND in particular to those that missed out last year.

A good example of this is,This year I have a club from the South Island who want to make some changes to both Classic and Post classics,But I will run these past two relevant associations first.Hope this clears it up in some way for you.

No in some ways it makes it even murkier....there is no reason in my view to do what you are suggesting. Do you run any changes to the Nat regs past every club which runs a round ? Neither of the two associations you refer to are national ones despite their titles... Put the suggested changes up on the website for comment and modification AS RECEIVED and get the reaction direct from the people concerned.
If you also want to put up any official comment from the clubs concerned, fine it will tell the members what their voted in committee think.

[budda]

Good question,

That is how it was operating when I took over and I have continued on as it was,In most cases,They do just go straight up on the website for submissions from the members,But there are times when if I'm not sure or I have a conflict of interest,I will move it on for others for advice,Very seldom do they not go straight up

That is how it was set up when I received the poisoned chalice too, has been the established procedure for YEARS now ........

Just make sure your "suggestions" are FULLY thought through, and are applicable for the whole country, not just a small self-interest group in your particular corner of it ....... as Billy will attest, sometimes what IS a good idea locally is a clusterhoohah when applied Nationally