Proposed rule changes

[jasonu]

For 30k I could purchase a superbike race the entire winter series, win and then the entire national series and get top 10. If there was a limit on tyres I think possibly do even better than top 10 on that budget. The second season could be done for 15 - 20k.

$45-$50k for 2 years in a sport that will likely take you nowhere sounds like a lot to me.
I spose it really depends on ones income and how much dosh/parts/charity one can muster from outside ones own bank account.

[Shaun Harris]

$45-$50k for 2 years in a sport that will likely take you nowhere sounds like a lot to me.
I spose it really depends on ones income and how much dosh/parts/charity one can muster from outside ones own bank account.

Thats the reallity jasonu, and a cheap budget at that. I spent $45-000 one year supporting 4 bikes and rider here, + the money that folk on here donated to support Jason Mcewan

[Billy]

That is how it was set up when I received the poisoned chalice too, has been the established procedure for YEARS now ........

Just make sure your "suggestions" are FULLY thought through, and are applicable for the whole country, not just a small self-interest group in your particular corner of it ....... as Billy will attest, sometimes what IS a good idea locally is a clusterhoohah when applied Nationally

In a nutshell sir,But then you have actually held the position and not just sat on the sidelines throwing stones for 30 years.

Experience shows that within this sport,The more people involved in the decision making process,The less likely issues will ever get resolved,I would suggest thats why the commission was set up in the first place,I'm sure choppa can attest to the discussion surrounding his suggestion of a cap on tyres for Superbikes for NZSBK 2014,It just turned into a farce and some of those contributing didn't actually appear to know what they wanted.

[Shaun Harris]

In a nutshell sir,But then you have actually held the position and not just sat on the sidelines throwing stones for 30 years.

Experience shows that within this sport,The more people involved in the decision making process,The less likely issues will ever get resolved,I would suggest thats why the commission was set up in the first place,I'm sure choppa can attest to the discussion surrounding his suggestion of a cap on tyres for Superbikes for NZSBK 2014,It just turned into a farce and some of those contributing didn't actually appear to know what they wanted.

Once again, this was why I sent my idea/proposal out to every single registered MNZ Road race licence holder a few years ago. I still believe that concept is the way forward, even more so now with the way the economy turned. It would just be a matter of finding a person with huge passion and commitment for our sport to make it happen. And then we would have a semi proffessional sport operating, some thing similar to Terry and the FX series is proving to be. He has made it happen through passion and commitment.

[budda]

Once again, this was why I sent my idea/proposal out to every single registered MNZ Road race licence holder a few years ago. I still believe that concept is the way forward, even more so now with the way the economy turned. It would just be a matter of finding a person with huge passion and commitment for our sport to make it happen. And then we would have a semi proffessional sport operating, some thing similar to Terry and the FX series is proving to be. He has made it happen through passion and commitment.

........... among other things

[Shaun Harris]

........... among other things

True, but the future has to start some where

[budda]

True, but the future has to start some where

Now THATS deep !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shaun Harris]

Does banning NO HELMET ride around laps come under rule changes? or at least change it so that NO passengers get to go for a joy ride, it is potentually so dangerous and damaging to road racing if shit did ever happen, and ACCIDENTS do happen!

[Billy]

Does banning NO HELMET ride around laps come under rule changes? or at least change it so that NO passengers get to go for a joy ride, it is potentually so dangerous and damaging to road racing if shit did ever happen, and ACCIDENTS do happen!

There is a "wee" inquiry going today on that very subject

[codgyoleracer]

For 30k I could purchase a superbike race the entire winter series, win and then the entire national series and get top 10. If there was a limit on tyres I think possibly do even better than top 10 on that budget. The second season could be done for 15 - 20k.

For 35K you could finish 9th, For 40K you could finish 8th, For 45K you could finish 7th, For 50K you could finish 6th, For 55K you could finish............... Get the idea ?

Of course this all assumes that the organic component has the skills to use said investment

[Billy]

True, but the future has to start some where

Hows about this then for a start,

What say some of these selfconfessed experts purporting to be inducting juniors into roadracing,A/ actually read and understand the relevant rules themselves,But more importantly ensure those they are "coaching" are well versed in them as well BEFORE they set them loose on the track as was applied at MCI when Peter Jones was operating their junior program.Peters program wasn't perfect,BUT it was a lot better than whats ocuring there now

Then we wouldn't have to disappoint them like I had to do to a 13year old this morning who was entered on his Aprilia 125 in the upcoming sound of thunder meeting,Can you guess who his mentor is?????,Its just not acceptable that these kids are being taught how to increase their pace WITHOUT being schooled in the areas that will prevent them from serious harm,A bit like handing a loaded gun to a 13yr old really.

[Shaun Harris]

There is a "wee" inquiry going today on that very subject

AWSOME, that would be all ACC and the PO_LICE would need to kill the sport in that area

[Shaun Harris]

Hows about this then for a start,

What say some of these selfconfessed experts purporting to be inducting juniors into roadracing,A/ actually read and understand the relevant rules themselves,But more importantly ensure those they are "coaching" are well versed in them as well BEFORE they set them loose on the track as was applied at MCI when Peter Jones was operating their junior program.Peters program wasn't perfect,BUT it was a lot better than whats ocuring there now

Then we wouldn't have to disappoint them like I had to do to a 13year old this morning who was entered on his Aprilia 125 in the upcoming sound of thunder meeting,Can you guess who his mentor is?????,Its just not acceptable that these kids are being taught how to increase their pace WITHOUT being schooled in the areas that will prevent them from serious harm,A bit like handing a loaded gun to a 13yr old really.

Unfotunately nothing is ever perfect Billy as you well know being at the coal face day in and out. Peter Jones did an exellent job with youngins I think ( And yes he is a very great friend) hence I donated all my used leathers to him and motorcycle club down there to get kids arses on bikes as safe as possible.

Re your comment on MENTORS, I am assuming of course that is a man that I have written you a letter about to get him banned from ever having to do anything with Motorcycle racing again. ( DO you have a copy of letter saved so I can forward it for the rule changes dept coming up) I am very serious about it Billy, people like this can wreck a riders future due to being big headed WANKERS) they are not needed nor wanted. I see a certain man is on here all the time day in day out, but never posts a thing- hello U

All people obtaining a race licence in my thinking, should have to sit a LIVE basic safety test before there licence is approved, not based on rules for classes etc, but based on Knowing all the flags and what to do as well as the safety requirements for machines to be able to pass tech.

[budda]

There is a "wee" inquiry going today on that very subject

EXCELLENT - carry on, that man

[Billy]

Unfotunately nothing is ever perfect Billy as you well know being at the coal face day in and out. Peter Jones did an exellent job with youngins I think ( And yes he is a very great friend) hence I donated all my used leathers to him and motorcycle club down there to get kids arses on bikes as safe as possible.

Re your comment on MENTORS, I am assuming of course that is a man that I have written you a letter about to get him banned from ever having to do anything with Motorcycle racing again. ( DO you have a copy of letter saved so I can forward it for the rule changes dept coming up) I am very serious about it Billy, people like this can wreck a riders future due to being big headed WANKERS) they are not needed nor wanted. I see a certain man is on here all the time day in day out, but never posts a thing- hello U

All people obtaining a race licence in my thinking, should have to sit a LIVE basic safety test before there licence is approved, not based on rules for classes etc, but based on Knowing all the flags and what to do as well as the safety requirements for machines to be able to pass tech.

Yip,

Ive got a graduated licence system on file,But cannot implement it as there are not enough people I can trust to oversee it in ALL areas,Dan Ornsby would be excellent in Ch Ch,Glen W in Manawatu and the ART scheme in AK,Johnny or Damage in Timmers,But all other areas I have no faith in,The newly introduced 3 stamps in the past 12 months before competing at a national event or street race has shown up some serious areas of concern,At the moment.All new members are required to take a 25 question test,But as I don't see the results of these tests or even know if they actually take place,I cannot comment as to how that is working out and of course it doesnt cover those entering the sport through the 1 event system(Which I believe should be a lot more restrictive and only available to those who already have a record with MNZ).

As for the other subject,I will ring you tonight to discuss further