Proposed rule changes

[Shaun Harris]

Robert, I'm NOT advocating making every class production. Car racing has a far bigger user base and audience that attracts far more sponsors and it's disingenuous to imply that every car racing class costs megabucks. For sure, there's a fair few folks who want to spend stupid amounts of money racing. However, do we really need more than one "premier" class in our little country? It sounds spastic but does the "premier" class have to be the class that requires the most money? There's always BEARS and post classics for people that want to piss money away Your average weekend warrior hasn't got 30K to spend on a hobby that as Chopper puts it, might get them 10th place. Your potential next young Kiwi motorcycling superstar may decide on the balance of things, that motorcycle racing isn't worth their parents remortgaging their house. I suspect many MNZ weekend warrior members are a bit frustrated at the current situation.

funny scracha, your comments here make me take the comments from Codgeoldracer a little more seriously than I think he really intended?

[FROSTY:Me]

Well something's gotta change Shaun. Manufacturers, disti's and sponsors are hardly tripping over themselves to throw money at the sport. Most new potential racers are put off at the prospect of spending 60K+ PA on a niche sport with fuck all coverage in little old eNZed. The few racers that proceed are largely forced out by their credit card company after a year or two. Yes, motorcycle racing is expensive but it needn't be unnecessarily so. The fact that the pointy end of the field is largely comprised of dad's army speaks volumes.
1 x Mobile dyno + scales vs every rider spending stupid amounts every year. Hmmm...lets mull over that.
Std suspension...riders will adapt their style, conserve their tyres during racing and perhaps choose compounds that last a bit longer.

Mate I get where you are coming from--but reality is that unless our sport can stir the imagination of the masses then it always will be a niche sport.

[Robert Taylor]

Indeed, all fair points that Scracha made but the core point of my argument is that perhaps, just perhaps we are scaring away a number of people that have the capacity to spend lots of money.
A fair bit of this ''cheap at all costs'' mentality is evident in car racing, right through to the two premier classes. The number of core components that have need to be upgraded in V8s ( notably brakes ) is substanial. Then there was the debacle with shock absorbers in the Toyota racing series a few years back.
Cheapness often costs.

[scrivy]

Pfftttt...... bring in wooden 4x2's for shocks, use the hardest compound Ching Shin tyres, and drum brakes for all, as far as I care.

I don't go to watch a premier class racing, I go to watch dicing in any class. If money talks for some, then ultimately the chances of competitive racing become slimmer - not greater. It's called chequebook racing - and does not lead to fuller grids in motorcycle circles. I mean, if I had to spend 30K to get 10th, I'd rather have a world holiday with my kids quite frankly. Or if you were Kick, that's alot of $2 hookers......

If racers back 80 years ago could race on dirt/gravel etc on skinny tyres, with far inferior equipment to what we have nowadays, and still entertain the crowds, then why do we have to be primadonnas to do the same??
Seriously, do spectators know (or care) about how much is spent in what class?
Does the average punter know how much is spent on a V8 supercar?

Spectators are voting with their feet apparently....

I'd go and watch lawnmower or motorised chillybin racing if it was competitive.....

[Billy]

Pfftttt...... bring in wooden 4x2's for shocks, use the hardest compound Ching Shin tyres, and drum brakes for all, as far as I care.

I don't go to watch a premier class racing, I go to watch dicing in any class. If money talks for some, then ultimately the chances of competitive racing become slimmer - not greater. It's called chequebook racing - and does not lead to fuller grids in motorcycle circles. I mean, if I had to spend 30K to get 10th, I'd rather have a world holiday with my kids quite frankly. Or if you were Kick, that's alot of $2 hookers......

If racers back 80 years ago could race on dirt/gravel etc on skinny tyres, with far inferior equipment to what we have nowadays, and still entertain the crowds, then why do we have to be primadonnas to do the same??
Seriously, do spectators know (or care) about how much is spent in what class?
Does the average punter know how much is spent on a V8 supercar?

Spectators are voting with their feet apparently....

I'd go and watch lawnmower or motorised chillybin racing if it was competitive.....

While its only MY opinion and is not necessarily what will happen,

I fully agree with Scrivy on this and before we have to endure more propaganda surrounding crowd attendance,Or lack there of,Who would have thought Paeroa would be down on attendees,I mean there was only the league 9s,Eminem concert and lantern festival going on in AK this weekend,But that wouldn't affect it at all aye? Furthermore,Following the GP at Ruapuna earlier this year,It was discovered the gate take was down around 40%,Further investigation uncovered that the speedway and horse race meetings were suffering similar drops in attendance,So I guess its not just a motorsport thing either.

What really grates my gears are the people that post on these threads who either lack the ability or confidence to compete at National level and yet they expect the general public to rush along to watch 6-8 bikes waddle around on a mostly empty track,Why would they?What happened to the old Kiwi "Give it a go" attitude? Point is,You can make the classes whatever you want,But if theres limited competitors,Then theres not much to get the interest of the general public...Is there


There has to be a burger in the box(Fur,Chicken or otherwise) and at the moment ours appears to have little filling,Its the same old people turning up year in AND you don't see them complaining on these websites,Best attitude I have encountered is John Ross,His attitude is "I don't care where,when or what we race,Somebody has to win and I want to be that person" Until more of the whingers have that same approach and expect everything to arranged in a way that somehow allows them to be competitive,Things are not going to improve.

[budda]

While its only MY opinion and is not necessarily what will happen,

I fully agree with Scrivy on this and before we have to endure more propaganda surrounding crowd attendance,Or lack there of,Who would have thought Paeroa would be down on attendees,I mean there was only the league 9s,Eminem concert and lantern festival going on in AK this weekend,But that wouldn't affect it at all aye? Furthermore,Following the GP at Ruapuna earlier this year,It was discovered the gate take was down around 40%,Further investigation uncovered that the speedway and horse race meetings were suffering similar drops in attendance,So I guess its not just a motorsport thing either.

What really grates my gears are the people that post on these threads who either lack the ability or confidence to compete at National level and yet they expect the general public to rush along to watch 6-8 bikes waddle around on a mostly empty track,Why would they?What happened to the old Kiwi "Give it a go" attitude? Point is,You can make the classes whatever you want,But if theres limited competitors,Then theres not much to get the interest of the general public...Is there


There has to be a burger in the box(Fur,Chicken or otherwise) and at the moment ours appears to have little filling,Its the same old people turning up year in AND you don't see them complaining on these websites,Best attitude I have encountered is John Ross,His attitude is "I don't care where,when or what we race,Somebody has to win and I want to be that person" Until more of the whingers have that same approach and expect everything to arranged in a way that somehow allows them to be competitive,Things are not going to improve.

WHAT HE SAID .......... ( think a wise man I met once said exactly the same thing - MANY times )

And further to that, the only reason the "dinosaurs" are still leading the charge is that the young "guns" cant beat 'em !

[scrivy]

I fully agree with Scrivy on this
Heh heh heh.... finally got that in writing...... LOL!


There has to be a burger in the box

Where does one buy a fur burger from?? Possibly KFC ? as you do get greasy fingers, and have breast or leg to choose from....

[scrivy]

WHAT HE SAID .......... ( think a wise man I met once said exactly the same thing - MANY times )
Yip... that was me.......

And further to that, the only reason the "dinosaurs" are still leading the charge is that the young "guns" cant beat 'em !

True dat!

[The Chow]

WHAT HE SAID .......... ( think a wise man I met once said exactly the same thing - MANY times )

And further to that, the only reason the "dinosaurs" are still leading the charge is that the young "guns" cant beat 'em !

Well said oh great Budda . Fuck falling crowd attendance , take a quick look around the Globe , Silverstone WSBK last year was a joke , they didn't have access to all the stands , and made people who had all stand passes sit in the ones that were open , so it would appear at least someone was at the meeting. It isn't unique and has been discussed for ever and ever and fucking ever. Get use to it , the sport is a nothing world wide with the possible exception of a few notable events. It's ok , we are just a minority sport like any other. And is the sport we all love to be associated with (at times it is hard , but we still keep coming back). Classes it wouldn't matter what you had , it is a sport that costs end of story. My opinion stop the dumbing down and restrictions and throw it open , get back to where guys can build and race what ever they like with the old F1/F2/F3 principals. Only restriction capacity.

[budda]

Well said oh great Budda . Fuck falling crowd attendance , take a quick look around the Globe , Silverstone WSBK last year was a joke , they didn't have access to all the stands , and made people who had all stand passes sit in the ones that were open , so it would appear at least someone was at the meeting. It isn't unique and has been discussed for ever and ever and fucking ever. Get use to it , the sport is a nothing world wide with the possible exception of a few notable events. It's ok , we are just a minority sport like any other. And is the sport we all love to be associated with (at times it is hard , but we still keep coming back). Classes it wouldn't matter what you had , it is a sport that costs end of story. My opinion stop the dumbing down and restrictions and throw it open , get back to where guys can build and race what ever they like with the old F1/F2/F3 principals. Only restriction capacity.

STOP MAKING SENSE CHOW - didn't the bar tab from the Brentwood teach you ANYTHING man !!!!!
The very fact that our Commission even DISCUSSED that makes it wrong - get with the programme

[Billy]

STOP MAKING SENSE CHOW - didn't the bar tab from the Brentwood teach you ANYTHING man !!!!!
The very fact that our Commission even DISCUSSED that makes it wrong - get with the programme

Hmmmm,The Brentwood,Whats ya room number,I'm there Friday night and can add to it for ya haha

[Billy]

Where does one buy a fur burger from?? Possibly KFC ? as you do get greasy fingers, and have breast or leg to choose from....

Yip KFC will definitely get you a hairy chicken burger

[budda]

Hmmmm,The Brentwood,Whats ya room number,I'm there Friday night and can add to it for ya haha

You'll be able to follow the "room-service groove" in the carpet - used the pseudonym "Maarty" from memory

[Dave-]

Spelling and grammar.

22.8.16 a.

When the riders have lined up on the grid they are deemed to be under the
starters control at the instant the RED FLAG reaches the side of the track.
Any motorcycle that moves in a forward motion whilst under the starters
control shall be deemed a jump start

Firstly I think this rule means "starter's control" as in the starter is in ownership of control. The way this rule current reads is there are many starters and something about control, the sentence is actually wrong.

Assuming you're clever enough to work this out (or dumb enough to not know the difference) if you take the literal meaning of this rule, then you are only under the [starter's] control for the instant that the flag is at the side of the track, while the flag is off the track, in the middle of the track, above the track, below the track or travelling though India is not stipulated.

[Grumph]

i think we've found a volunteer to proof read the next edition of the rulebook......