Proposed rule changes

[Grumph]

Yes, fair points, but in deference to your last paragraph why do we put so many Superbikes on the grid?

Fucked if I know...here in the SI, those who want to do the Nats have to be a very dedicated bunch, and have shall we say, substantial backing....often obtained through holding down senior well paid jobs, hence the "dads army' crack a while back.

Just as in the past though, there are more bikes on the grid than there are good riders for them. Look at any era from the past and there were always bikes there which weren't being pedalled to their limits. From observation that still holds.Yes, the bikes are quicker, but look at the 1300cc F1 era and they weren't a lot down on HP but shit they were harder to ride.

My own pet peeve down here is the guys who turn up to open hire days with top bikes and everything that can be bought for them....But who won't front at a club day and race....

[RobGassit]

250 production, tyre warmers allowed,
tyres would last better, also the warm up- lap wuld be alot safer.

Sounds good, and they should remove the word "production" too, and replace it with Formula.

[budda]

250 production, tyre warmers allowed,
tyres would last better, also the warm up- lap wuld be alot safer.

And so it goes .......

[budda]

My own pet peeve down here is the guys who turn up to open hire days with top bikes and everything that can be bought for them....But who won't front at a club day and race....

Yep - there is, like it or not ( and I don't ) a yawning chasm between the guys who are playing in this sandpit because they just plain love racing motorbikes, love it enough to make the sacrifices required, and those who like riding motorbikes (in their minds at least) fast in front of a crowd.

The former are where the SPORTS concentration needs to be, but the latter group are very vocal on sites such as this (among others ) with all sorts of clap-trap ..........

That's why we suffer a relative dearth of "Nationals" riders - more than a few of these dolphin-polishers are a tad reluctant to be seen for what they are ....... and the RACERS go out and do battle simply because they can, and for the most case couldn't tell you how many were in the stands

And part of the problem is not only the "sense of entitlement" of the knob-jockies, but their insistence that Racing must be Fair ....... sorry, your school teacher put you crook buddy - cant hide from the fact that in THIS Sport, there ARE Winners, and for the rest ( often me included ) there is another category that starts with L, and rhymes with User ( funny that ! )

Has been the same for the last 41 years , but has got significantly worse over the last 5-6 years with the proliferation of websites and the attendant attitudes of some ........

[codgyoleracer]

250 production, tyre warmers allowed,
tyres would last better, also the warm up- lap wuld be alot safer.

As the name suggests the "warm up lap" is exactly that, its not a race to the grid, its not a time to "push" the front, its not a time to "buzz" or be very close to other riders...... it is a WARM UP lap.

As far as i am aware riders on 250 proddys are not ending up stacked up on top of each other around the track on the warm up lap ?, and the only adjustment i could think of is the "possible" allowance to run 2 laps at maybe Manfield where lefthanders are infrequent.

Lets list the things you could add or allow to 250 proddy " on the grounds of safety"

Slicks
Wets
Different sized wheels
Warmers
Suspension
Brakes = Discs, master cylinders, etc
Frame bracing
Ground clearance modifications
Compulsory specialised rider protective gear (for this class) airbags etc
Electonics
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah.....................


So on the grounds of safety, lets add $15,000 to the bike build - and see how the class "develops"

Cue " sarcastic look"

[budda]

as the name suggests the "warm up lap" is exactly that, its not a race to the grid, its not a time to "push" the front, its not a time to "buzz" or be very close to other riders...... It is a warm up lap.

As far as i am aware riders on 250 proddys are not ending up stacked up on top of each other around the track on the warm up lap ?, and the only adjustment i could think of is the "possible" allowance to run 2 laps at maybe manfield where lefthanders are infrequent.

Lets list the thing you could add allow to 250 proddy " on the grounds of safety"

slicks
wets
different sized wheels
warmers
suspension
brakes = discs, master cylinders, etc
frame bracing
ground clearance modifications
compulsory specialised rider protective gear (for this class) airbags etc
electonics
blah blah blah blah blah.....................


So on the grounds of safety, lets add $15,000 to the bike build - and see how the class "develops"

cue " sarcastic look"

bullseye .......

[Robert Taylor]

Yep - there is, like it or not ( and I don't ) a yawning chasm between the guys who are playing in this sandpit because they just plain love racing motorbikes, love it enough to make the sacrifices required, and those who like riding motorbikes (in their minds at least) fast in front of a crowd.

The former are where the SPORTS concentration needs to be, but the latter group are very vocal on sites such as this (among others ) with all sorts of clap-trap ..........

That's why we suffer a relative dearth of "Nationals" riders - more than a few of these dolphin-polishers are a tad reluctant to be seen for what they are ....... and the RACERS go out and do battle simply because they can, and for the most case couldn't tell you how many were in the stands

And part of the problem is not only the "sense of entitlement" of the knob-jockies, but their insistence that Racing must be Fair ....... sorry, your school teacher put you crook buddy - cant hide from the fact that in THIS Sport, there ARE Winners, and for the rest ( often me included ) there is another category that starts with L, and rhymes with User ( funny that ! )

Has been the same for the last 41 years , but has got significantly worse over the last 5-6 years with the proliferation of websites and the attendant attitudes of some ........

Dont forget the pervasive influence of Helen Clark, the Greens and that seperatist Racist party. All of those idiots have further engendered the mentality that pervades

[scott411]

Dont forget the pervasive influence of Helen Clark, the Greens and that seperatist Racist party. All of those idiots have further engendered the mentality that pervades

for god sake Robert, lets keep this to the facts, since the Greens have never been in goverment,

the simple fact is, a track day is more fun for a lot of people, you get more laps, sit around a whole heap less, it costs less, and their is a heap less rules to keep up with,

think about this when you are making new rules, esp with the 1 day licence, which most people get the first time they go racing, make that to hard, then they won't start

its the same with trail riding for off road riders,

[budda]

Dont forget the pervasive influence of Helen Clark, the Greens and that seperatist Racist party. All of those idiots have further engendered the mentality that pervades

Merlot for brekky again Doc ?

[codgyoleracer]

for god sake Robert, lets keep this to the facts, since the Greens have never been in goverment,

the simple fact is, a track day is more fun for a lot of people, you get more laps, sit around a whole heap less, it costs less, and their is a heap less rules to keep up with,

think about this when you are making new rules, esp with the 1 day licence, which most people get the first time they go racing, make that to hard, then they won't start

its the same with trail riding for off road riders,

In the immortal words of talkin heads, - 'stop making sense" , you'll only confuse the poor fellow's that have hidden agendas

[Shaun Harris]

A clone of EJC500 fits the bill quite nicely, as suggested previously but instantly shot down

we have it already with exellent low cost 250 Production championship.


The Rolling Stones wrote a song with rellivant words on this subject " Ya can;t always get what ya want"

I like the 500 idea in principle, and maybe when the floods settle a little in the future it may be a path to follow.

[steveyb]

Dont forget the pervasive influence of Helen Clark, the Greens and that seperatist Racist party. All of those idiots have further engendered the mentality that pervades

Sounds more like that Merlot must have been corked and he only discovered after the 3rd glass and is a touch annoyed.

[budda]

for god sake Robert, lets keep this to the facts, since the Greens have never been in goverment,

the simple fact is, a track day is more fun for a lot of people, you get more laps, sit around a whole heap less, it costs less, and their is a heap less rules to keep up with,

think about this when you are making new rules, esp with the 1 day licence, which most people get the first time they go racing, make that to hard, then they won't start

its the same with trail riding for off road riders,

Never ceases to amaze me how well some folk type, with both hands wrung off like that

[scott411]

Never ceases to amaze me how well some folk type, with both hands wrung off like that

yes, it has been mentioned many a time that I am smarter than I look,

[budda]

yes, it has been mentioned many a time that I am smarter than I look,

Yeah mate, I pinched all the dust from the Good Looks Fairies Miracle Bag ........