Proposed rule changes

[Billy]

Wonder if I could guess who its from .....

Yea,

Thats not really relevant as the person I received the email from,Was authorised by me,To discuss the future of the class and any possible changes they might want,So it cannot be taken as 1 persons request.

[Billy]

No one is arguing about that but as they progress to the classes that have adjustable suspension and far more sensitivity ( standard on the bikes )they need to learn something inbetween that will instil same, and in a non threatening way. Thats why the suggestion has been made of an EJC500 clone class, fitted with affordable adjustable suspension and decent grip level control tyres.

You could of course from here in an insignificant part of the world insist that the factories start making large capacity bikes again with this flexible non adjustable suspension. Just for NZ as we will have so much influence and to satisfy the stone age mentality that a number of people have

Thats all a bit naughty really Robert,There is no "Stoneage mentality" as such,Rather a commonsense approach by those charged with running the sport in the fact that as has been stated many times before,The last thing we need is more classes AND we already have 3 classes that provide the necessary areas of rider development you speak of after 250 Production,I have no issue with introducing a 500 twin class to run within Pro Twins,But I seriously doubt there will be many takers if the experience with the 2 Superstock classes is to be taken into consideration.

[Robert Taylor]

Thats all a bit naughty really Robert,There is no "Stoneage mentality" as such,Rather a commonsense approach by those charged with running the sport in the fact that as has been stated many times before,The last thing we need is more classes AND we already have 3 classes that provide the necessary areas of rider development you speak of after 250 Production,I have no issue with introducing a 500 twin class to run within Pro Twins,But I seriously doubt there will be many takers if the experience with the 2 Superstock classes is to be taken into consideration.

Oh yes there is a sizable element of ''stoneage mentality'' as I brutally stated it. The whole EJC500 idea comes at it from a different angle and I have in previous threads taken some trouble to explian the ''package''. Have you listened or have you from the very outset just discounted it out of hand, given your last sentence?
Why was such a class popular and very well subscribed in Europe? Have they got more enlightened attitudes? Have you spoken to Jake Lewis at length about the class? Why have several Kiwis competed in the class?

[jellywrestler]

It's your loss if you truly believe that.

the fact that i drove across country to go to the woodville motocross and added another 100kms to my and m,y partners journey, and paid $20 bucks to get in actually negates that.
I also enjoy fishing, and just caught another, can i have my hook back please?

[eelracing]

the fact that i drove across country to go to the woodville motocross and added another 100kms to my and m,y partners journey, and paid $20 bucks to get in actually negates that.
I also enjoy fishing, and just caught another, can i have my hook back please?

Yeah and it's fantastic to see some Juniors kicking arse on those cheap and nasty stinky 250 smokers.

I'll keep the hook thanks, the point sometimes comes in handy.

[Billy]

Oh yes there is a sizable element of ''stoneage mentality'' as I brutally stated it. The whole EJC500 idea comes at it from a different angle and I have in previous threads taken some trouble to explian the ''package''. Have you listened or have you from the very outset just discounted it out of hand, given your last sentence?
Why was such a class popular and very well subscribed in Europe? Have they got more enlightened attitudes? Have you spoken to Jake Lewis at length about the class? Why have several Kiwis competed in the class?

Tell you the truth Robert,

I havent given it any thought at all,Nor have I discussed at length with anybody including Jake Lewis,Why? Because to date,Nobody has contacted me as commissioner through any other channels than this site and discussed it at any length OR enlightened me on the specfics.

Why is such a class very well subscribed in Europe,Ummm because it's the European Junior cup,Same reason the EJC was well subscribed when it was run with EX250s and KTMs,Why have several Kiwis competed in the class,Ummm ...well,Same reason really and I'm reasonably confident the population base is slightly higher than ours.

Oddly enough though,I heard a wee whisper just yesterday that there are some who are keen for it to happen,But unfortunately they keep talking to the wrong people about it,As long as the secret squirrel approach is applied,Then I doubt it will go much further.

[Robert Taylor]

Tell you the truth Robert,

I havent given it any thought at all,Nor have I discussed at length with anybody including Jake Lewis,Why? Because to date,Nobody has contacted me as commissioner through any other channels than this site and discussed it at any length OR enlightened me on the specfics.

Why is such a class very well subscribed in Europe,Ummm because it's the European Junior cup,Same reason the EJC was well subscribed when it was run with EX250s and KTMs,Why have several Kiwis competed in the class,Ummm ...well,Same reason really and I'm reasonably confident the population base is slightly higher than ours.

Oddly enough though,I heard a wee whisper just yesterday that there are some who are keen for it to happen,But unfortunately they keep talking to the wrong people about it,As long as the secret squirrel approach is applied,Then I doubt it will go much further.

There has been no secrecy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Billy]

There has been no secrecy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh dear,

Let me clarify for you Robert,By secret squirrel,I meant talking amongst ones selves and not with the person charged with running the sport.

[scott411]

They have been ''in Government'' Remember the anti smacking bill that was brokered? Morons like the Greens are helping to dumb down society and its attitudes so their poisonous influence is relevant. MMP should never have happened.

But yes I agree with the simplicity. Funny thing is though Scott we get to upspec a lot of track day bikes because the riders work out why they are burning tyres and understeering off the turns etc. Explain that?

MX : I personally think that MX has suffered because we have deviated too far from the natural terrain tracks from years past.

I know you do, you did some forks and a shock for my own track day bike, but that does not answer how to get these guys to race,

I agree with you on teh natural terrain thing, and i found an article my old man wrote in 1995 saying the same thing, funny how things go in cycles,

[budda]

Oh yes there is a sizable element of ''stoneage mentality'' as I brutally stated it. The whole EJC500 idea comes at it from a different angle and I have in previous threads taken some trouble to explian the ''package''. Have you listened or have you from the very outset just discounted it out of hand, given your last sentence?
Why was such a class popular and very well subscribed in Europe? Have they got more enlightened attitudes? Have you spoken to Jake Lewis at length about the class? Why have several Kiwis competed in the class?

As one who HAS spoken at exhaustive lengths to Jake both before, during and after his European foray(s), I can confirm that, for the most part, its not just because the bikes have adjustable boingers n clickers.

You, like me, have been around RACERS long enough to know that they are more often than not on the bike they are for one (or both ) of two reasons only - broad-stroke big-brush generality here, its either all they can afford to run ( usually JUST ! ) or its simply a means to an end

Personally, for the record, I LIKE the idea, and have no issue with it running within ProTwins structure, albeit with some slight tweaking, but I surely agree with Billy; RACING IN NEW ZEALAND DOES NOT NEED EVEN MORE SPECIALIST CLASSES.

Next you'll have the hand-wringers wanting different age-groups within the Class !!!!!

[Robert Taylor]

Oh dear,

Let me clarify for you Robert,By secret squirrel,I meant talking amongst ones selves and not with the person charged with running the sport.

When we turned up with this bike at Taupo a few months back it was to prove that it would go around the track and all effort had been expended to get it to that point. It was notable that immediately we could feel the vibe ''this is not wanted'', from certain quarters.
There are more people involved than one person from within MNZ in the sense of coming up with a workable concept and then officially presenting it all to MNZ as a whole.
All ideas should receive a fair hearing but its perhaps because there is so much entrenched thinking within the sport that it remains as it is.
Perhaps we should have been extra secretive because as soon as the arch parasite of the NZ suspension world learnt about it he was into Blue Wing like a robbers dog trying to displace my interest in it.
In many ways there really are a lot of ''niggers in the woodpile''. Thats not PC but I dont give a damn

[Shaun Harris]

When we turned up with this bike at Taupo a few months back it was to prove that it would go around the track and all effort had been expended to get it to that point. It was notable that immediately we could feel the vibe ''this is not wanted'', from certain quarters.
There are more people involved than one person from within MNZ in the sense of coming up with a workable concept and then officially presenting it all to MNZ as a whole.
All ideas should receive a fair hearing but its perhaps because there is so much entrenched thinking within the sport that it remains as it is.
Perhaps we should have been extra secretive because as soon as the arch parasite of the NZ suspension world learnt about it he was into Blue Wing like a robbers dog trying to displace my interest in it.
In many ways there really are a lot of ''niggers in the woodpile''. Thats not PC but I dont give a damn

Give us a logical reasoning as to why this class should be in place Robert, nothing to do with buisness interest though mate, purely for the good of the sport and upcoming riders

[scrivy]

I also enjoy fisting, and just caught another.....

We know you enjoy a good fisting!! But what did ya catch???

[Robert Taylor]

As one who HAS spoken at exhaustive lengths to Jake both before, during and after his European foray(s), I can confirm that, for the most part, its not just because the bikes have adjustable boingers n clickers.

You, like me, have been around RACERS long enough to know that they are more often than not on the bike they are for one (or both ) of two reasons only - broad-stroke big-brush generality here, its either all they can afford to run ( usually JUST ! ) or its simply a means to an end

Personally, for the record, I LIKE the idea, and have no issue with it running within ProTwins structure, albeit with some slight tweaking, but I surely agree with Billy; RACING IN NEW ZEALAND DOES NOT NEED EVEN MORE SPECIALIST CLASSES.

Next you'll have the hand-wringers wanting different age-groups within the Class !!!!!

The sum of all its parts yes. My reasons for responsive and adjustable suspension in such a class and ongoing rider and setup training within such a class are comprehensively explained in various threads.

[Shorty_925]

Great show case for the sport : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay27l...ature=youtu.be

Though this has nothing to do with rules or proposing to change them.

Taupo going to be a busy place 22nd & 23rd of March.