Proposed rule changes

[Billy]

When we turned up with this bike at Taupo a few months back it was to prove that it would go around the track and all effort had been expended to get it to that point. It was notable that immediately we could feel the vibe ''this is not wanted'', from certain quarters.
There are more people involved than one person from within MNZ in the sense of coming up with a workable concept and then officially presenting it all to MNZ as a whole.
All ideas should receive a fair hearing but its perhaps because there is so much entrenched thinking within the sport that it remains as it is.
Perhaps we should have been extra secretive because as soon as the arch parasite of the NZ suspension world learnt about it he was into Blue Wing like a robbers dog trying to displace my interest in it.
In many ways there really are a lot of ''niggers in the woodpile''. Thats not PC but I dont give a damn

Dunno what that diatribe is all about,

It simply will never happen until such time as its tabled with ALL whoneed to be involved for it to progress(Think I said that already) and when I did a follow up after the Taupo test,NOBODY else at MNZ knew anything about it,Either on the board or at the office.

[budda]

Dunno what that diatribe is all about,

It simply will never happen until such time as its tabled with ALL whoneed to be involved for it to progress(Think I said that already) and when I did a follow up after the Taupo test,NOBODY else at MNZ knew anything about it,Either on the board or at the office.

RIGHT - now YOU get down South and sort that pile out, and YOU get back to HerdyGerdying

[Robert Taylor]

Dunno what that diatribe is all about,

It simply will never happen until such time as its tabled with ALL whoneed to be involved for it to progress(Think I said that already) and when I did a follow up after the Taupo test,NOBODY else at MNZ knew anything about it,Either on the board or at the office.

In a few words ''abundant awareness of all the niggers in the woodpile''.

If this develops further due process will be followed and the concept is / has been tested and opinions sought to this point.

[codgyoleracer]

When we turned up with this bike at Taupo a few months back it was to prove that it would go around the track and all effort had been expended to get it to that point. It was notable that immediately we could feel the vibe ''this is not wanted'', from certain quarters.
There are more people involved than one person from within MNZ in the sense of coming up with a workable concept and then officially presenting it all to MNZ as a whole.
All ideas should receive a fair hearing but its perhaps because there is so much entrenched thinking within the sport that it remains as it is.
Perhaps we should have been extra secretive because as soon as the arch parasite of the NZ suspension world learnt about it he was into Blue Wing like a robbers dog trying to displace my interest in it.
In many ways there really are a lot of ''niggers in the woodpile''. Thats not PC but I dont give a damn

Offsubject, but Haha

So let me ge this right:
I competitor finds out about a potential market that they may not be going to get a piece of - so in your opinion the competitor should stand back, do nothing and let the other competitor capture it ?

Thats not very " free marketing thinking" of you Rob - Youre sounding more like a red under the bed communist every day !

[Robert Taylor]

Offsubject, but Haha

So let me ge this right:
I competitor finds out about a potential market that they may not be going to get a piece of - so in your opinion the competitor should stand back, do nothing and let the other competitor capture it ?

Thats not very " free marketing thinking" of you Rob - Youre sounding more like a red under the bed communist every day !

Its actually all about RESPECT. We had gone down the track a long way with this even at that point and done all the groundwork. Lots of dyno work, measuring, fitting etc. Im not sure if you are aware of this but there are more than a few suspension tuners and we all get along with one another and respect that if someone starts a deal and its reasonably progressed to then not interfere with it. Except for one who has no respect whatsoever for a silent code of conduct
Thankfully there are still a few people that subscribe to a decent modicum of business etiquette.

[codgyoleracer]

[Robert Taylor]

Yes, no time for rectums that talk out of their rectums and have no respect for a decent level of business etiquette. Its time the rules changed for such people, if you talk to them it only encourages them further.

[JayRacer37]

No one is arguing about that but as they progress to the classes that have adjustable suspension and far more sensitivity ( standard on the bikes )they need to learn something inbetween that will instil same, and in a non threatening way. Thats why the suggestion has been made of an EJC500 clone class, fitted with affordable adjustable suspension and decent grip level control tyres.

You could of course from here in an insignificant part of the world insist that the factories start making large capacity bikes again with this flexible non adjustable suspension. Just for NZ as we will have so much influence and to satisfy the stone age mentality that a number of people have

Bandit 1200 one make class.

[jellywrestler]

Bandit 1200 one make class.

talk to the post classics about this Jay

[Grumph]

[QUOTE=budda;

Next you'll have the hand-wringers wanting different age-groups within the Class !!!!![/QUOTE]

Hell, yeah !! Your bro can mop up the 250 prod under 50's and i'll go for the over 65's....

Robert - I wasn't aware Saint Maggie ever embraced business ethics - or even knew they existed...She'd have been there whipping on the opposition for the sake of "good healthy competition"

[budda]

Hell, yeah !! Your bro can mop up the 250 prod under 50's and i'll go for the over 65's....

Robert - I wasn't aware Saint Maggie ever embraced business ethics - or even knew they existed...She'd have been there whipping on the opposition for the sake of "good healthy competition"

He'd be excluded for ineligibility Greg !!!!!!! I'd LOVE to see a "minimum weight, Rider AND Bike combined" rule - but where would you bolt 50kg of lead ? Some of the young'uns would still need ballast TWO-UP !!!!!!

[RobGassit]

You can have as many rules and classes as you like, but without capturing the hearts and minds of the great unwashed,, your just a parking warden, putting signs up that nobody respects or obeys.( Luckily Billy understands this well, and can juggle ticket books with one hand, a coffee in the other and kick arses as he hops on one leg) Especially today!

[budda]

You can have as many rules and classes as you like, but without capturing the hearts and minds of the great unwashed,, your just a parking warden, putting signs up that nobody respects or obeys.

True - trouble is, the great unwashed are double parked in the handicapped zone

[scracha]

Yep - there is, like it or not ( and I don't ) a yawning chasm between the guys who are playing in this sandpit because they just plain love racing motorbikes, love it enough to make the sacrifices required, and those who like riding motorbikes (in their minds at least) fast in front of a crowd.

It's fark all to do with sacrifices. After food, heating, petrol, child-care, electricity and rent (largely paid to the dads army generation who have a bloody cheek talking about "entitlement" after flogging of most of their country's assetts and accruing large debts for the current generation to pay), most employees have lot less disposable income than back in nineteencanteen. Our sport must make some changes if you want them to spend what little money they have left on motorcycle racing. I'm not saying all classes, I'm not saying ban Ohlins, the greens, my mate Hone nor smacking brats but some sensible cost savings in some classes wouldn't be stupid.

That's why we suffer a relative dearth of "Nationals" riders - more than a few of these dolphin-polishers are a tad reluctant to be seen for what they are ....... and the RACERS go out and do battle simply because they can, and for the most case couldn't tell you how many were in the stands

I believe it's more to do with money and taking time off the multiple jobs many have. Put simply, for the majority of club racers, the Nationals requires too much commitment for too little return.

And part of the problem is not only the "sense of entitlement" of the knob-jockies, but their insistence that Racing must be Fair ....... sorry, your school teacher put you crook buddy - cant hide from the fact that in THIS Sport, there ARE Winners,

I'm sure that after working hard all week and being left without much disposable income, the knob-jockies would tell dad's army that they're very aware that life isn't fair.

[Shaun Harris]

It's fark all to do with sacrifices. After food, heating, petrol, child-care, electricity and rent (largely paid to the dads army generation who have a bloody cheek talking about "entitlement" after flogging of most of their country's assetts and accruing large debts for the current generation to pay), most employees have lot less disposable income than back in nineteencanteen. Our sport must make some changes if you want them to spend what little money they have left on motorcycle racing. I'm not saying all classes, I'm not saying ban Ohlins, the greens, my mate Hone nor smacking brats but some sensible cost savings in some classes wouldn't be stupid.


I believe it's more to do with money and taking time off the multiple jobs many have. Put simply, for the majority of club racers, the Nationals requires too much commitment for too little return.


I'm sure that after working hard all week and being left without much disposable income, the knob-jockies would tell dad's army that they're very aware that life isn't fair.

Scracha, your post reads well