Proposed rule changes

[Grumph]

It's fark all to do with sacrifices. After food, heating, petrol, child-care, electricity and rent (largely paid to the dads army generation who have a bloody cheek talking about "entitlement" after flogging of most of their country's assetts and accruing large debts for the current generation to pay), most employees have lot less disposable income than back in nineteencanteen. Our sport must make some changes if you want them to spend what little money they have left on motorcycle racing. I'm not saying all classes, I'm not saying ban Ohlins, the greens, my mate Hone nor smacking brats but some sensible cost savings in some classes wouldn't be stupid.


I believe it's more to do with money and taking time off the multiple jobs many have. Put simply, for the majority of club racers, the Nationals requires too much commitment for too little return.


I'm sure that after working hard all week and being left without much disposable income, the knob-jockies would tell dad's army that they're very aware that life isn't fair.

Come to ruapuna on a tuesday or friday - working days you'll note - and explain to me the number of top quality bikes surrounded by tyre warmers and generators, stands and spare wheels.....Who belong to a club for the sake of getting half price hire...

BUT WON'T BLOODY WELL FRONT AT A CLUB DAY.

Given these parasites on the club system, most of what you've written deasn't make sense, sorry.

[Kickaha]

Who belong to a club for the sake of getting half price hire...

You don't need to belong to club for 1/2 price hire because they don't ever check membership anyway

[Grumph]

You don't need to belong to club for 1/2 price hire because they don't ever check membership anyway

I've seen it checked - people i've been with have had to produce their CAMS/MCI/BEARS membership cards on request.

frequent fliers like yourself, probably not.

[codgyoleracer]

Come to ruapuna on a tuesday or friday - working days you'll note - and explain to me the number of top quality bikes surrounded by tyre warmers and generators, stands and spare wheels.....Who belong to a club for the sake of getting half price hire...

BUT WON'T BLOODY WELL FRONT AT A CLUB DAY.

Given these parasites on the club system, most of what you've written deasn't make sense, sorry.

I dont see why you would compare people that do track day / fun days - to racing at any level ?

Thats like comparing people that go to the local 9 hole par3 course for a "game" of golf , to others that are active members of golf club that participate in competitions.

Two totally differnet avenues of enjoyment to the individual.

[codgyoleracer]

[QUOTE=Grumph;1130682566]Who belong to a club for the sake of getting half price hire...

BUT WON'T BLOODY WELL FRONT AT A CLUB DAY.

Given these parasites on the club system"




I didnt know the club paid the other half of the hireage ?, - is that why these enthusiasts are parasaites ?

If the club doesnt pay anything - then whats the problem with the club having more paying members ?

[Tony.OK]

I dont see why you would compare people that do track day / fun days - to racing at any level ?

Thats like comparing people that go to the local 9 hole par3 course for a "game" of golf , to others that are active members of golf club that participate in competitions.

Two totally differnet avenues of enjoyment to the individual.

And then they read threads like this and get put off altogether...........

[scracha]

Come to ruapuna on a tuesday or friday - working days you'll note
.

"Working days" ? Working days for many these days include weekends, evenings and nights so perhaps they have Tuesday and/or Friday off.

I don't understand why you're calling club members who don't want to race "parasites". Perhaps they look at the GSXR1000's and Paningales in Clubmans (now there's a class that's became an absolute joke) and think "fuck that for a game of soldiers". Perhaps they fancy a relaxed, relatively inexpensive day where they can bang in 80 laps as opposed to a race day where they'll spend far more to get 20 if they're lucky.

[chucklesby]

Come to ruapuna on a tuesday or friday - working days you'll note - and explain to me the number of top quality bikes surrounded by tyre warmers and generators, stands and spare wheels.....Who belong to a club for the sake of getting half price hire...

BUT WON'T BLOODY WELL FRONT AT A CLUB DAY.

Given these parasites on the club system, most of what you've written deasn't make sense, sorry.

I bet canterbury car club doesn't mind.

I bet mci don't mind either.

so so many reasons why someone would prefer to run some laps midweek.

stupid, uninformed post

[Kickaha]

frequent fliers like yourself, probably not.

I'd be lucky to do 5-6 a year

Perhaps they fancy a relaxed, relatively inexpensive day where they can bang in 80 laps as opposed to a race day where they'll spend far more to get 20 if they're lucky.

Or perhaps they spend $45-50 for club membership never intending to use the club membership for anything more than getting cheaper track hire on Tuesdays and Fridays

[RobGassit]

Doing a trackday on your superbike does not make you an arsehole. Just someone who wants to fang their toy without hitting a Volvo or getting arrested. Chopping other riders up on a trackday however,,, does officially make you an arsehole.

[quickbuck]

Chopping other riders up on a trackday however,,, does officially make you an arsehole.

Oh, so that is what a Track Day Whore is.......











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[Grumph]

I bet canterbury car club doesn't mind.

I bet mci don't mind either.

so so many reasons why someone would prefer to run some laps midweek.

stupid, uninformed post

i'm sure canty Car club doesn't care - But MCI and the other local clubs should care because any accident and the car club are going to say "he's one of yours" If the club concerned only knows the person concerned as a subscription - and is told they've been turning up frequently at the track on hire days I'm sure questions would be asked.

I'd like to see the car club supply the 3 local clubs with lists of their members active in hiring. Up to the clubs to formulate a policy as to how people use the memberships. One reason club members get lower rates is because they're seen as experienced and a lower risk....

maybe I'm old fashioned but i thought you joined clubs to participate in the club's activities. i don't give a flying fuck if these guys ride or not - but actually doing some volounteer work for the club would be a nice gesture. Personally i'd say - don't participate with the club activities - pay full hire.

[scracha]

maybe I'm old fashioned but i thought you joined clubs to participate in the club's activities. i don't give a flying fuck if these guys ride or not - but actually doing some volounteer work for the club would be a nice gesture. Personally i'd say - don't participate with the club activities - pay full hire.

Just bump up the club membership price a LOT, then have a large discount for MNZ membership and doing volunteer work, marshalling etc.

[jasonu]

"Working days" ? Working days for many these days include weekends, evenings and nights so perhaps they have Tuesday and/or Friday off.

I don't understand why you're calling club members who don't want to race "parasites". Perhaps they look at the GSXR1000's and Paningales in Clubmans (now there's a class that's always been an absolute joke) and think "fuck that for a game of soldiers". Perhaps they fancy a relaxed, relatively inexpensive day where they can bang in 80 laps as opposed to a race day where they'll spend far more to get 20 if they're lucky.

Fixed it for ya.

[wharfy]

While its only MY opinion and is not necessarily what will happen,

I fully agree with Scrivy on this and before we have to endure more propaganda surrounding crowd attendance,Or lack there of,Who would have thought Paeroa would be down on attendees,I mean there was only the league 9s,Eminem concert and lantern festival going on in AK this weekend,But that wouldn't affect it at all aye? Furthermore,Following the GP at Ruapuna earlier this year,It was discovered the gate take was down around 40%,Further investigation uncovered that the speedway and horse race meetings were suffering similar drops in attendance,So I guess its not just a motorsport thing either.

What really grates my gears are the people that post on these threads who either lack the ability or confidence to compete at National level and yet they expect the general public to rush along to watch 6-8 bikes waddle around on a mostly empty track,Why would they?What happened to the old Kiwi "Give it a go" attitude? Point is,You can make the classes whatever you want,But if theres limited competitors,Then theres not much to get the interest of the general public...Is there


There has to be a burger in the box(Fur,Chicken or otherwise) and at the moment ours appears to have little filling,Its the same old people turning up year in AND you don't see them complaining on these websites,Best attitude I have encountered is John Ross,His attitude is "I don't care where,when or what we race,Somebody has to win and I want to be that person" Until more of the whingers have that same approach and expect everything to arranged in a way that somehow allows them to be competitive,Things are not going to improve.

I don't want the National Points Championship to be a "give it a go" affair I want to see the TOP riders going as fast as they can (without hurting themseleves or each other) There is more racing in New Zeakand than you can poke a stick at - you can race pretty much every month all year round and go nuts during the summer. Without doing the "Nats" There are less than a dozen Superbike riders in the country who can stay on the same lap as the current Champion for 10 laps. Any club rider can check the lap times at their favourite track and see if they would make the 115% cut off time. Thats the reason I don't do the "Nats" - It's not about being affraid of being shown up for what a useless rider I am - I race at The Cemetery Circuit and effectivly have my pants pulled down in front of 15,000 people - It's not a the National Points Championship ! (Just the best "event" on the calander in my opinion) If I thought for a moment I had a reasonable chance of being a top ten finisher (without being lapped) in ANY class at the Nats I might consider entering. But I am a "Club Level Racer" along with most motorcycle racers in the country. The challenge is to get the public to come and watch those dozen riders (and the few TOP riders in other classes) at each round of the Nats if only for the sake of the sponsors - those top rider almost certainly don't give a fuck how many people are watching...(any of them that frequent this site can correct me if I'm wrong about that).