Proposed rule changes

[Billy]

Well, no direct competition, but ample in-direct competition, such as those issues mentioned by Tony.OK and all the other avenues for spend of $ and Hrs.

WRG to the Super-classes, in some respects perhaps the road racing market in NZ is still quite 'immature' in that it has basically been a group of enthusiasts for many years simply getting on and doing it as they see fit.
There were small periods in the past where things were much more upscale of course (Marlboro series etc), but we are only now beginning to move into a period where we see more teams and more people investing in the infrastructure that makes the sport look professional (regardless of whether it is or not) to outside observers.
So, perhaps the market was not mature enough at the time to allow both choices to co-exist. Reminds one of young children; if you offer them too many choices they will go crazy!
Are we actually any better off now though? I do think there is a major ego issue in that: What is wrong with running in the middle of the pack of bikes on a Superstock bike if that is what you can afford/have ability to race? Makes no difference to the crowd, really, does it? But if the lower costs (perceived vs real) produce a 25%, 50% increase in grid numbers, isn't that just good? 25-25% is probably very optimistic though.....

Actually fun you should mention those percentages at the end,We had a 50% increase in entrants at rounds 1 and 2 of NZSBK by changing the format,Apparently it was all just ridiculous and negative,BUT it got the required results,Too bad the person responsible wasn't supported in a reasonable manner and has since moved on.

[codgyoleracer]

[QUOTE=budda;1130683512]

The glasses are optional :-)

Correct research virtually eliminates the risk of failure. QUOTE]

The status of the research ( "correct" or cluster hoohah ) is often decided / dictated by the efficacy of the decision .... many a bad decision has been made with good information, and many a good 'un made against the evidence provided by the masses Glenn

The key is to get more right than not , and to build on the right ones .... obviously you're keen

Look forward to seeing your detailed proposal to move the Sport, as a whole, forward

I will do some research , and advise what the going rate is for an experienced consultant ....... :-)
On the other hand, payment can be made in peanuts - but research results will be similar to a chimp ( but at least we can name it cheetah) :-)

[budda]

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I will do some research , and advise what the going rate is for an experienced consultant ....... :-)
On the other hand, payment can be made in peanuts - but research results will be similar to a chimp ( but at least we can name it cheetah) :-)

Hang on a minute - don't Chimps stick their fingers in the Purple Starfish and flick eeeeew at visitors?
Sounds like a few I can think of ...........

[wharfy]

Just because I can - I did a quick count from mylaps for the entries for the first two rounds
Oh, and all the superbikes finished on the same lap - so there is more than the dozen I usually quote - even in the 20 lap GP

Ruapuna
250 proddy 17
development 15
pro twins 12
supebikes 17
supersport 20
superlite/125 23

Timaru
250 proddy 16
development 20
pro twins 12
superbikes 16
supersport 20
superlite/125 20

[The Chow]

Actually fun you should mention those percentages at the end,We had a 50% increase in entrants at rounds 1 and 2 of NZSBK by changing the format,Apparently it was all just ridiculous and negative,BUT it got the required results,Too bad the person responsible wasn't supported in a reasonable manner and has since moved on.

Thanks for your efforts Billy , Budda and so many who have done work in the sport who have gone before , all for free and for other people's enjoyment. Time for others to step up. By the way the commissioner isn't voted on it is an appointment , so better start kissing some arses at MNZ if you want the job.

[ellipsis]

so better start kissing some arses at MNZ if you want the job.

...'entrenched', was one of the words Robert Taylor used to describe mnz's M.O...you coined it better...you didn't mention sucking dicks or not rocking the boat...

[jellywrestler]

Just because I can - I did a quick count from mylaps for the entries for the first two rounds
Oh, and all the superbikes finished on the same lap - so there is more than the dozen I usually quote - even in the 20 lap GP

Ruapuna
250 proddy 17
development 15
pro twins 12
supebikes 17
supersport 20
superlite/125 23

Timaru
250 proddy 16
development 20
pro twins 12
superbikes 16
supersport 20
superlite/125 20

and nout about sidecars you racist.....

[Billy]

and nout about sidecars you racist.....

Nor clubmans or Posties at round 1 AND Mylaps is results not entries

[RobGassit]

MNZ could find itself in a similar position to Motorcycling Australia. How important is the FIM affiliation? If it's easier, cheaper and more fun to run racing outside the Circus tent, who will bother to pay to get in the tent to see the monkeys and the elephant? Dirt riders have found their own way to run their sport.

[budda]

If it's easier, cheaper and more fun to run racing outside the Circus tent, who will bother to pay to get in the tent to see the monkeys and the elephant?SOME Dirt riders have found their own way to run their sport.

Easier, cheaper and MORE FUN TO RUN RACING......... now THATS the voice of experience !!!!

[roogazza]

MNZ could find itself in a similar position to Motorcycling Australia. How important is the FIM affiliation? If it's easier, cheaper and more fun to run racing outside the Circus tent, who will bother to pay to get in the tent to see the monkeys and the elephant? Dirt riders have found their own way to run their sport.

Easier, cheaper and MORE FUN TO RUN RACING......... now THATS the voice of experience !!!!

Rule changes !!!! I hate 'rules' and I was a cop for a living !
How we change huh ?
If it wasn't for trying to find a champion for a particular year, big changes could survive our sport .

[wharfy]

and nout about sidecars you racist.....

sidecars 12 most humble apologies to the sidecar teams it was an oversight

Nor clubmans or Posties at round 1 AND Mylaps is results not entries

Yeah I deliberately didn't include them, and I know mylaps isn't entries but it gives an indication of how many bikes got onto the track -

It was just to show that there are in fact quite a few bikes out there and I don't think anything would be gained by adding another 6 or 7 to the superbike field (for example) if they were going to be lapped - not saying anyone who WANTS to shouldn't "have a go" as long as they are not going to cause any pain.

[Billy]

sidecars 12 most humble apologies to the sidecar teams it was an oversight



Yeah I deliberately didn't include them, and I know mylaps isn't entries but it gives an indication of how many bikes got onto the track -

It was just to show that there are in fact quite a few bikes out there and I don't think anything would be gained by adding another 6 or 7 to the superbike field (for example) if they were going to be lapped - not saying anyone who WANTS to shouldn't "have a go" as long as they are not going to cause any pain.

Okay,I just wondered why you left out the Posties which were a National class this year and yet included Development class which was not.As you were

[Billy]

Rule changes !!!! I hate 'rules' and I was a cop for a living !
How we change huh ?
If it wasn't for trying to find a champion for a particular year, big changes could survive our sport .

Yip,

Don't necessarily disagree re the rules being a pain and the oddest thing is,People want them enforced when its about somebody else,But when its about them all of a sudden it doesn't matter so much,It would be much simpler to just have formula classes with capacity and fuel rules only,Think back to the 70s when all the meetings had the usual 500,350,250 racing and then a "B" grade class and if I remember correctly,The "B" grade class was the biggest and where the most fun was had.

[Shaun Harris]

Yip,

Don't necessarily disagree re the rules being a pain and the oddest thing is,People want them enforced when its about somebody else,But when its about them all of a sudden it doesn't matter so much,It would be much simpler to just have formula classes with capacity and fuel rules only,Think back to the 70s when all the meetings had the usual 500,350,250 racing and then a "B" grade class and if I remember correctly,The "B" grade class was the biggest and where the most fun was had.

F2 an F1 YES Baby bring it on